Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

Besides foreign agendas, many of the reports you see that lie and exaggerate issues relating to human rights in Iran come from people who work to help various people claim refugee status. To be entitled to such status, you have to establish a well-founded fear of persecution. Lawyers for someone who wants to immigrate as a refugee (e.g., as a homosexual fearing persecution in Iran) will, of course, have every incentive to exaggerate the facts or make them up. This particular report is more balanced because it is based on the report from Canada's refugee board intended to help assess such claims.

 

So Canada is more balanced than other countries in what they say about Iran?

 

No. We are talking about a particular report, used for a particular purpose, where the incentive to simply use propaganda doesn't exist.

 

The point I am trying to make should be obvious, although it seems the obvious isn't something people are interested in here. Why on earth would Iran "execute" a totally random teenager or being "homosexual" (as widely reported by various "human rights" groups such as Amnesty International, HRW etc), when there are tens of thousands of military exemption claims pending before its military by individuals who are claiming to be homosexual? Claims made by homosexuals who even admit to being same sex prostitutes. In a country where the homosexual cruising hang outs are well known. Never mind even the legal standards that impose an impossible burden to punish anyone for 'homosexual conduct', i.e. sodomy, requiring 4 witnesses and strongly discouraging any such accusations, could anyone who actually knows anything about Iran honestly and truthfully believe such reports? Yet such nonsense about Iran finds its way in reports about Iran from supposed human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, are reflected in country reports on human rights about Iran by various (supposedly neutral) organizations and create an image of a country that simply doesn't exist. Which is the main reason why visiting Iran has been such a shock for anyone who has visited the country.

Whether you lean left or right in the American political spectrum, a visit to Iran will immediately undermine your faith in all of the institutions that are supposedly meant to inform as opposed to misinform the American populace.

 

Where was that reported?

 

Everywhere: just google the case described below and you will see for yourself. Even this description is not really accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni
Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni

p.s.
No investigation, not even the one that debunked this nonsense as carried out by the "Nation" is worth anything when it ultimately still relies on what groups with an agenda against the regime have to say. Such 'investigations' only publish more complicated or sophisticated lies.

 

I assume that it is a felony to engage in sex with a 13 year old in Iran? It may be considered 'statutory rape?' Therefore, The British group 'Outrage's' point about it being consensual is not valid as the boy couldn't legally consent at the age of 13.

 

There was nothing consensual about that case, leaving aside what you mention. The boy was kidnapped and gang raped. Fortunately, he wasn't killed and if someone wanted to, they could bother talking to him to see if he is gay! Yet, you have "human rights" organizations working in concert with a terrorist group, the MEK (aka National Council of Resistance) organize vigils and other demonstrations to commemorate the memory of those individuals who kidnapped and raped this boy.

 

Why would it make a difference that he is gay or straight?

Is MEK a human rights group?

 

Because the case if falsely portrayed as one involving punishing homosexuals engaged in consensual sex. The case, in fact, was about a family finding their young son having been kidnapped and rapped, suffering injuries as a result of the whole thing, taking their complaint to Iran's authorities and demanding that the perpetrators be punished. If there was a serious doubt that the boy in question wasn't forcibly raped (which was the charge, not statutory rape), the accused in that case wouldn't have received the death penalty.

It is treasonous, terrorist, organization which was classified as such for a long time even by the US. They just changed their paymasters. Before they used to work with Saddam and fought with him against Iran. After he was deposed, they found new foreign sponsors. Today, they work closely with the Israelis. And many American officials including Bolton and Pompeo have received funds from them, although MEK's funds are actually from elsewhere ultimately, today namely the Israelis and pro Israeli groups.

 

Besides corruption in its ranks, and some archaic laws which create (for a sizable minority) some hassle (not much more, unless they want to overturn those laws through illegal means in concert with foreigners or by trying to resort to public disturbance), the real "crime" (which I don't consider a crime, even if some may question its wisdom) of the regime in Iran is that it is both: a) committed to standing up to US hegemony in the region, including working actively to undermine such hegemony and b) is avowedly, openly, and proudly anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli, and is interested in seeing the end of the Israeli regime.

Almost everything else that is said about Iran in the western media and, even more so, the pro Israeli media in the US, is part of the 'soft war' against Iran. A 'soft war' that has required a huge investment in propaganda, lies, and promoting liars in various positions of power in and around the American government. The latter something that I would hope Americans who don't give a hoot about Iran, would care about because such corruption has in turn totally made America's system corrupt too.

In the meantime, while even this headline is not really an accurate portrayal of what the head of Iran's revolutionary guards was saying to a media organ affiliated to the guards (and meant mainly for domestic purposes for their troops and not as a foreign policy statement per se), at least tells you something that is not entirely false. And what it tells you is why Iran has been suffering from the campaign of lies against it. Both from America's sophisticated liars and those who don't need sophistication as they are preaching to people who are totally clueless about Iran (except what they imagine they know from the propaganda).

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/top-iran-general-says-destroying-israel-achievable-goal
Top Iran General Says Destroying Israel 'Achievable Goal'
By AFP
September 30, 2019 05:11 PM

 

In analysing such a case, the first thing that I would want to know is what the punishment was in the same or similar cases in the years before and the years since this one. If for example, there have been cases where two straight guys rape a girl but they aren't executed, then I can see why people might be suspicious. I would also want to know if the kid's age was a factor. Did being under 18 make for a more severe punishment for the rapists?

So why are they "in concert" with human rights groups?

 

Forcible rape is punishable by capital punishment in Iran regardless.

Anyway, I have said all I need to say on these subjects. Don't want to be rude, but I prefer to focus on other issues now.

 

Well then case closed as far as I'm concerned. There's no evidence for any idiot to suggest that they were executed
because they are gay. OutRage sound like just a typical radical LGBT 'outrage mob' group. 'OutRage' - what a PERFECT name!

 

I thought she was freed... was she freed?

 

For a long time, Western Society has tolerated intolerance against men. First in 1970 it was tolerated, in 1990s, male bashing became common, and now misandry #menaretrash is considered virtue. Objecting to misandry is considered inappropriate.

Look at this respectable Democrat laughing at male suicide:


I made logical arguments against Intolerance.

In this thread we are discussing more flexible arguments against intolerance.

 

In Western Society, all men are constantly reminded that they bear innate guilt for crimes of other men. They are reminded by Mainstream Media and Social Media -- constantly.


This is as evil as blaming all members of a minority for crimes of some of their birth group. Hate Speech is Hate Speech. When Hate Speech is tolerated it becomes acceptable. Then it is considered virtuous.

 

Every hour on Twitter there are many messages wishing death on all men, celebrating the fact that men are dying of COVID19, etc.

I support Equality, but Hate Speech must not be tolerated. Iranian Court made it clear.

 

Hate speech absolutely MUST be tolerated no matter how disgusting it is.. Tyranny is what must not be tolerated.


A full blown skinhead kkk neo-nazi type has far more moral excellence than the tryant who'd forbid them to speak their beliefs.

And that's virtually no moral excellence.

 

And I have disagreed with many Conservatives as well.

I also agree with UK jailing people for antiSemitic jokes.
I did not support Count Dankula -- joking about Genocide is not appropriate.
Wishing harm on a birth group is evil.

 

Sadly, Racist ideology was accepted for centuries. This ideology is more dangerous then COVID19.

Being Autistic I have to deal with many people who do not want Society to support disabled people. That scares me.

 

I disagree, all jokes that are funny are appropriate. Anti semitism is inappropriate but jokes are just jokes..

I agree wishing harm to birth groups but unless you are calling for violence you are free to speak your mind and squashing free speech is more evil.

 

Government supressing free speech is more dangerous than global thermo nuclear war.

 

In USA, even with First Amendment, Free Speech is often suppressed by non-government bodies. Many people are fired and blacklisted for speech which does not even reach Hate Speech category. The First Amendment does little to protect Free Speech.

 

Maybe... though remember Einstein's warning about WW3!.....

So... more important than either free speech or war is dissemination of truth.

Eg, the lying prophets of the Old Testament told us that 'God' authorised genocide (during the Israeli conquest of the "Promised Land") - and people are still reading it and believing it today, with disastrous consequences eg religion-based terrorism, since Jewish and Islamic fundamentalism, aided and abetted by Christian fundamentalism, eg Trinity mythology, reinforce one-another.