Feminists don't speak for many Women

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    I am simply asking you why you don't believe what I posted?

    There is no proof for anyone stating their beliefs.

    So why?

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  2. Polydectes

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    I don't believe there is a wage gap. Because if you could pay women less nobody would hire men.
     
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    Well there are a lot of studies that show women are paid on average less than men for the same jobs.

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  4. Polydectes

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    Why would anybody hire men if you could pay women less?
     
  5. Ritter

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    Actually no. They are all based on an aimless collectvisation process and since men and men chose different careers, since women get pregnant and since women are more likely to work in the public srctor etc; women, as a collective, earn less. True. However, the "less for the same job"-parole is nothing but bollox and any person with a decent point of IQ could figure that out. It really is beyond me how long this lie has survived and how many people there are who are buying it. With the very ssme logic, I could create a reality where black women earn more than men; I just take the average salary of Rihanna, Beyonce and Oprah and compare it to the average salary of "Carl the Carpenter", "Pete the plumber" and "Bob buss driver" and ta-daa, we have a narrative where black women earn more than white men. :D
     
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    I have two kids and have always worked full-time and my kids haven't never been in any daycare.

    Companies are responding very well to the changes in the modern family. Many have flex hours, part-time positions, job shares, etc, etc so that not just moms...but also dads can spend more time with their kids.

    I actually was fortunate enough to be able to bring my youngest one with me for a half-day to work and then I worked at home in the afternoons. There are a ton of women (and some men) at my company that work at home.

    I wonder if kids of needy financially dependent women applaud them when daddy takes off for a more capable woman and mom has zero ability to fulfill her duty to care for their needs.
     
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    I didn't get educated and I don't work hard just because I have kids. I do it because I have the dignity and pride to be self-sufficient and would find it shameful to have to live off of anyone.

    The last thing my husband needs is grown woman who married him to sponge off of him financially.
     
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    Most of these issues died with the last century. Most young men are not interested in marriage and families.
     
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    My oldest daughter isn't interested in it either...she's engrossed in her career and loves to travel at the moment. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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    So long as it's fine for the rest of her life. It is certainly fine with men now that they have Tinder et al.
     
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    She's in med school and is far more interested in when she might be able to be home enough to have a dog than she seems to be in the possibility of dating someone.

    My daughters certainly won't need to get married for financial reasons.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with young people choosing not to get married...its a somewhat outdated concept.
     
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    Well, that's good because marriage is not going to be a choice many women will have.
    OTH, women with a high net worth and income will always have more choices than other women.
     
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    Most women whether they are "feminists" or not value motherhood and most want equal pay for equal work. Why is this such a problem for you that you would slander women?

    Are you married? Do you have daughters?

    I notice that today Trump said that if his daughter Ivanka was sexually harassed at work, she would quit and go to work for another company.. Stupid SOB.

    He just lost the women's vote.
     
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    And yet few women or men identify as feminists.

    Feminism is dead and feminists outdated because men and women have equal rights and have had them for some time now.

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    There was no slander and equal pay for equal work is not only the law it is standard practice
     
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    Actually its not standard practice. Do you have daughters?
     
  16. AboveAlpha

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    You get 'em Margot!!!

    LOL!!

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    Because men like to hire men.

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  17. AboveAlpha

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    Ritter buddy....there is a huge number of studies that all detail how women are paid less than men for doing the same job.

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    I am a Feminist.

    And I have no problem saying I am.

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    I doubt my daughter's will have any issues finding husband if they're interested...but they certainly won't need them to use them for money. They'll have their own.
     
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    A girl should be capable and self reliant.

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  20. ryobi

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    This is the first chapter of my book, at one time the 97th ranked book on Amazon and this article has also been published as an OP ED piece in newspapers. To answer your inquiry about equal pay for equal work...

    “Today, the average full-time working woman earns just 77 cents for every dollar a man earns…in 2014, that’s an embarrassment. It is wrong.”
    –President Obama, remarks on equal pay for equal work, April 8, 2014

    Liberals believe stupid things because they believe completely in things in the complete absence of evidence in the presence of overwhelming contradictory evidence, even, and The Wage Gap is an excellent example of this. That’s why it’s the number one stupid thing Liberals believe.

    Normally you’ll always find these three statistics in every single study you read: a mean, a standard deviation, and confidence intervals. However, a study exists on the wage gap that’s so good it doesn’t have confidence intervals. Normally a study will calculate confidence intervals because they tell you how likely population statistics are within a certain margin of error of the sample you actually took based on that samples size. However this study was so inclusive there was no need to calculate population parameters like confidence intervals, because the sample in this study is the entire population. This study is that good. The study titled tiled “An analysis of the reasons for the disparity between the wages of men and women” was prepared for The United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Division in 2009 by the CONSAD research corporation.

    The 2009 study for the United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Division found that all but 5% of the 22% wage gap is explained by choices made by the genders and there’s no evidence to suggest the remaining 5% is the result of discrimination. In fact evidence suggests the remaining 5% gap is the result of more choice namely the Researchers at CONSAD believe the 5% gap is the result of women choosing more compensation in the form of non-wage benefits but the Researchers at CONSAD couldn’t quantify this factor because of the limitations of their model, namely multivariate regression analysis.

    When there is a high R value (coefficient of correlation) between dependent variables in multivariate regression analysis the results can’t be quantified because there is said to be collinearity. Basically, when there is collinearity, you can’t tell what’s influencing what. Is the dependent variable, benefits, being influencing by the independent variable, gender, or is the dependent variable being influenced by another dependent variable in the model? However, it’s possible that the remaining 5% is the result of more choice that just couldn’t be quantified statistically. In a forward to the CONSAD study Charles E. James, SR, Deputy Assistant Secretary For Federal Contract Compliance wrote:

    Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers


    Even though it’s almost been entirely proven that the wage gap is the result of choice, not discrimination, liberals insist on blaming the consequences of women’s choices and actions on men. For example, Barack Obama also insinuated a 22% wage gap exists that’s the result of discrimination in his 2013 and 2014 State of the union addresses. [5]

    Some of the pay gap can be explained by what the genders tend to choose to study at university. For example, men are much more likely to study STEM (science technology engineering and math). For instance, in a paper by Andresse St. Rose titled “STEM Major Choice and the Gender Pay Gap” she found in 2007 women earned 17 percent of Bachelors degrees in engineering, compared to earning 79 percent of Bachelors degrees in education. In 2006 women earned only 20 percent of Bachelor degrees in physics, computer science, and engineering.[2] In a 2007 paper by Dey and Hill titled Behind the Gender Pay Gap they found STEM degrees tend to have higher salaries than their peers with degrees in other disciplines. For example, one year after graduation, an education major working full time earned, on average, about 60 percent as much as an engineering major working full time ($525 versus $851 per week)[3] Despite earning most of the degrees in post-secondary education women are choosing not to major in subjects that result in them being qualified for the lucrative careers that men are more likely to be qualified for when they graduate, and according to Liberals this is men’s fault? If liberals believe in equality then shouldn’t they believe women should be equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men? Blaming men for the consequences of your actions and choices is not accountability.

    For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

    If you’re preferred 2:1, you’re not being discriminated against. Some people might even suggest a 1:1 preference of identically qualified candidates would be equality and a 2:1 preference for women over identically qualified male candidates is actually an indication of discrimination against men, not women.


    Bibliography



    [1] CONSAD Research Corporation 2009. “An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women” Prepared for The United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Administration Accessed August 23, 2015. http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf

    [2] Andresse St. Rose 2010. “STEM major choice and the gender pay gap” On Campus with Women
    http://archive.aacu.org/ocww/volume39_1/feature.cfm?section=1

    [3]Dey, J. G., and C. Hill. 2007. Behind the pay gap. Washington, DC: AAUW Educational Foundation
    National Association of Colleges and Employers. 2009. Salary survey

    [4] Stephen J. Cecil and Wendy M. Williams, “National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions

    [5] Glenn Kessler,” President Obama’s persistent ’77-cent’ claim on the wage gap gets a new Pinocchio rating,” The Washington Post, April, 9th, 2014, The Washington Post, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/
     
  21. ryobi

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    Show me a study proving that women on average are paid less than men for the same jobs, which should be easy since, "there are a lot of studies"
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). People in business like to save money.

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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). People in business like to save money.
     
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    LINK....http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/23/pf/gender-pay-gap/

    LINK...file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Bob/My%20Documents/Downloads/IB-DFR-0416%20(1).pdf

    LINK...https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ill-make-less-for-doing-the-same-work-as-men/

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    Look at my post #73.

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  24. ryobi

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    Your article (an article is not a study) states,

    There's a difference between a 5% gap and a 22% gap and even your article states the reason women make 5% less is the result of choices women make, and choices is not discrimination.

    If feminists want equality then shouldn't they insist on women being equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices. Blaming men for the consequences of your choices is not accountability.
     
  25. AboveAlpha

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    You know there is a lot more that is available for me to post.

    You asked...I provided.

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