Feminists don't speak for many Women

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    CHOICE. choice is not discrimination


    Having children is a CHOICE. Choice is not discrimination.

    Choosing less demanding roles is a choice. Choice is not discrimination


    Industry choice is a choice. Choice is not discrimination
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    Still....women who do exactly the same work as men get paid less.

    This is a simple fact.

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  3. ryobi

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    This link doesn't work
     
  4. AboveAlpha

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    It's a PDF.

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  5. ryobi

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    Because of the choices they make.

    If women want to be equal then you should believe women should be equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices.

    Blaming men for the consequences of YOUR actions and choices, is not accountability.
     
  6. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    I copied and posted the address URL into the address bar and it didn't work
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    Run a Google search and use these key words....studies detail women paid less than men for same job.

    3rd one down.

    Manhattan Institute.

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    The studies all show that women who work the same amount of hours at the same jobs earn less than men.

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  10. Polydectes

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    Well, less women work. How could they earn more or equal to men if fewer of them work?
     
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    I got educated, worked damned hard, and paid off our first home BEFORE we had kids. And seriously, how can married people be financially dependent upon each other? They're two parts of one unit, with different jobs to do to make the unit work. What you're saying is equivalent to saying one of your legs is sponging off the other leg. Each does different jobs, whether it's paid or unpaid is entirely beside the point. Besides, no parent who stays at home with 2 or more kids is even remotely 'sponging', and I find it bizarre that you think child raising is some sort of welfare rort.
     
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    OK...one more time.

    I am not talking about women who are on maternity leave...etc.

    I am talking about a woman who is doing the same exact job as a man and working the same hours get's paid less.

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    None of your links said that. further I don't believe that claim. If it were true businesses would only hire women.
     
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    It is standard practice and yes I do.

    You cannot name one job or profession where men work side by side with women doing the same labor and get paid more because they are men.
     
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    Try doctors.. specifically family practice.

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    Try doctors.. specifically family practice.
     
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    They are all proposterous and untruthful. There are many more studies proving the exact opposite. Studies that actually compare apples to apples instead of oranges. Absolute bogus, in other words. Most studies claiming to prove an exisisting "salary oppression" are not even Economic such, but rather do they come from the department of Liveral Arts.

    When it comes to Sweden, the government organ that works for a "well functioning development of salary" (Medlingsinstitutet) and the government organ that analyses data and statistics about pretty much everything in society (SCB) have both concluded that women are not paid less for the same job.
     
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    You clearly have not had much contact with 20 and 30 something young males lately. Very few of them will ever marry unless the "partnership" benefits them economically. Marriage no longer brings them anything else that they need.
     
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    Yes male family practitioners do not got paid more because they are men.

    Like I said you can give no examples of such a profession

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    No thy do not

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    That issue does not exist
     
  19. LibChik

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    And they shouldn't. I agree with the notion that men should only marry women who are willing to work and contribute financially. I know a lot of men who married women who basically used them not to work...and when they divorced them, they were shackled with alimony payments because the woman established a status quo. Young men should never tolerate a woman that won't work unless they're fine with those women leeching off of them for the rest of their lives...both during, and even after the marriage is over.

    I wouldn't support any man either...the last thing in the world I would tolerate is an adult acting like a child-like dependent. I honestly don't understand how you can respect someone in that situation (and it certainly doesn't inspire romance...) It sets up a parent-child relationship between two adults because one simply isn't equal due to their dependence.
     
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    Raising children is important and being financially responsible is important...to each person in a marriage separately. Children require the presence of both parents and both parents have a parental duty to be financially stable on their own. If the marriage breaks down for any reason, both parents should be able to care for ALL the needs of the children.

    There's a reason why divorced women and their children are one of the largest poverty groups in the country.

    The reality is that staying at home all day is not at all equal to earning your own pay. And I can't even imagine a more depressing position to be in...I'd seriously hate to have to rely on someone else to pay my way through life as an adult.

    Of course, if you want to play roulette with your kids well-beings by making the assumption you'll never have a marital breakdown, you'll win about 50% of the time. Personally, those odds wouldn't work for me...I care about my kids too much.
     
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    Romance is largely a relic of the past. Things have changed very rapidly over just the last decade.. Google Tinder read a few articles. Personal face to face interaction beyond a hook up is becoming very rare. Dating is becoming rare. I finally asked a group of young professionals at a business meeting why they were swiping back and forth on their phones. I had assumed that they were checking email and texting. They were happy to explain the joys and convenience of Tinder and a few other express hook up sites. They have no interest in marriage - ever.

    Welcome to a brave new world.
     
  22. Fugazi

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    Still doesn't account for 5% of the difference, which even your favourite report cannot account for.
     
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    There is not a single study that can account for the total wage difference, even the most cited ones still cannot account for 5%.
     
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    Wrong.

    It is has been proven repeatedly proven you you time and again when personal choice is removed from the equation the gap disappears.
     
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    wrong, it has not been proven at all .. if you have evidence to the contrary then supply it, because even the research and report that has been cited in these debates before does not account for the whole of the gap, after all items are taking into consideration there is still a 5% gap.
     

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