Focus your anger.

Is this to me or stillblue?

And btw, poles get to vote in Israeli elections and even become prez

 

The Palestinians will never achieve peace without occupation as long as Hamas has the ability to exert control over them.

 

At one time, history tells us that more than 2,000 years ago, Hebrews invaded lands in the Middle East and slaughtered the resident populations (yeah, it's in the Old Testament). That was a terrible thing indeed, and fortunately Jews have not engaged in that kind of thing since. BTW, Islam did not come into being until about the year 610 AD....

TODAY, however, Islam commands its followers to commit all kinds of abuse and violence on anyone they consider to be "infidels", and that most assuredly includes Jews and Christians! Yes, that's TODAY, in the 21st-century.

It's surprising that so many people in "the West" don't realize any of this... so, here's a link to pertinent information found in the Muslim holy book, the Quran (Koran): https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

 

Ppl in the west are perfectly clear in their understanding of Christian barbarism, massacre, genocide and slaughter throughout the world over the last 500 years alone, never mind 2000 years.

You underestimate the knowledge of the layman.

If memory serves me right, it was your fellow Christian and WJE (White Jewish European) that dropped the first and only atomic bombs, committed the worst Holocaust in history with the enslavement and murder of millions of so called African Americans, killed millions in two world wars and attempted to wipe out the Jewish religion in Germany by starving thousands of Ashkenazis.

It seems that islam is coordinating it's actions based on the Christian playbook and islam has been caught lacking in it's endeavour.

 

I wrote specifically about the historical and religious aspects of conflicts between Jews and non-Jews in the Middle East. I didn't comment on Christians, although I have done so many times in the past in this forum, pointing out bloody, intolerant periods among Christians, and even religions thought of as "kinder and gentler", such as Hindus and even Buddhists!

But, Esau, in order to have any kind of an accurate perspective about what Islam preaches, and actually DOES TODAY, in the 21st-century, you have to read their holy texts in the Quran, AND, then see how Muslims actually behave in a world full of "infidels" TODAY -- which is exactly how they view ALL of us who aren't Muslims!

When was the last time that a Roman Catholic burned some "heretic" at the stake? Now... when was the last time that some Muslim jihadist sliced somebody's head off...?! Are we on the 'same page' now?

 

Here is the difference. when the RC church burned heretics or when Calvin slaughtered a catholic army for being "false Christians" both were going against the teachings of Christ. when Muslims murder "infidels" or stone homosexuals to death and subjugate women, they are actually following the teachings of their nasty founder.

 

You went on an anti islamic rant and so iGave you the low down on Christian genocides that have happened in history right up until today.

You're really not making any coherent point here buddy.

Would you like to start again?

 

Which is why many people are wondering why the leader of Israel funded and propped them up for so many years. It is surprising that Israel was funding a group whose objective was erasing Israel instead of group that wanted a negotiated two state solution. Do you know why Israel funded the very group that they are now fighting?

 

[QUOTE="StillBlue, post: 1074760939, member: 72985"
[/QUOTE] Israelis are not quite that innocent nor are they quite so impotent.
I can hold Israelis more accountable, and hold their feet to the fire in a way I can't those Palestinians, because that's what their form of govt entitles me to do.

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Likud Benjamin Netanyahu 23.41 32 +2
Yesh Atid Yair Lapid 17.78 24 +7
RZP–Otzma Bezalel Smotrich 10.83 14 +8
National Unity Benny Gantz 9.08 12 −2
Shas Aryeh Deri 8.24 11 +2
UTJ Yitzhak Goldknopf 5.88 7 0
Yisrael Beiteinu Avigdor Lieberman 4.49 6 −1
Ra'am Mansour Abbas 4.07 5 +1
Hadash–Ta'al Ayman Odeh 3.75 5 0
Labor Merav Michaeli 3.69 4 −3

Netanyahu was a veteran political figure in Israel. They knew this man taking power very well. If I could predict how he and his administration would respond to this attack, and the completely callous indifference to Palestinian suffering he would have as he invaded and subjagated them, then so should Israeli voters have and so should Hamas have. The Palestinian people have not had any tools with which they could contain radicalization of Hamas for two decades. Indeed, Israelis still have some tools with which to put pressures on that govt to constrain them.

If Donald Trump gets re-elected and thus Putin runs amuck,going after Russia's neighbors or and NATO cannot be an effective deterrent, Europe absolutely gets to hold the American voters (at least those of 7 swing states per the electoral college ) to blame for the predictable reprocussions of their own votes.

By the way, if I could predict how Netanyahu was going to overreact to that attack from his past instincts and policy decisions impacting Palestinians, then so should have Joe Biden when he promised them all those weapons and support even before the military starting their campaign to subdue the Palestinians and take out Hamas.

 

While it's true that thousands of Palestinians in Gaza were not being killed by the Israeli military before Oct. 7 I'm not sure peace is the way I'd describe the prior status quo.

 

OK, I'll make it even simpler for you.

Let's start with time itself... this is the 21st-century! This is the "here and now". Today, in the 21st-century, which major world religion preaches and practices violence, hate, and murder against all people who do not belong to it?

I've pointed out numerous times that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, et al, have all had terrible, bloody periods of internecine warfare, wars and atrocities waged against other people, and abusive violence inflicted on those who didn't subscribe to the commands of each one's specific religious teachings.

All the world's major religions ceased this kind of abusive, destructive intolerance hundreds of years ago, except for one -- ISLAM! Who but Muslims still practices these kinds of acts today, in the 21st-century?

I'll stop there and see if you can at least agree that much is true... and if not, WHY not?!

Refresher: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

 

I understand your point. But my hope is that this war will result in change in both sides - the Israelis and the Palestinians. The Israelis can change course through elections, but Hamas must be vanquished before the people of Gaza can change course.

 

Oh, one other request, Esau. In the post above you stated that "Christian genocides that have happened in history right up until today". I agree about Christian atrocities and internecine violence in the far-distant past, but the part about "RIGHT UP UNTIL TODAY" is unsupportable nonsense -- unless you can cite some instances of that kind of thing happening "TODAY".

The ball is in your court....

 

Just as iThought.

Nu-hu is not a valid rebuttal.

 

Now it appears to be Judeo-Christians slaughtering women and children in the thousands.

Your point is redundant.

 

Iraq, Syria, and Vietnam are not the distant past, buddy.

 

Taken at face value, even if we accept your announcement that "Judeo-Christians" are committing what you consider to be "crimes", that is not the commandment of either Christianity or Judaism. Do you really not understand the chasm of difference?

 

Once again, you fail completely to grasp the central fact that wars or conflicts in Iraq, Syria, or Vietnam were not as a result of any religious commandment or exhortation in Christianity.

Islam, on the other hand does issue commands and Fatwas calling for holy wars, combat and violence against anyone it considers to be an "infidel". Do you really not perceive that? Islam certainly makes that quite clear!

 

That left things hanging since you failed to describe it to your preference.

 

No, they can help the IDF get rid of Hamas and then work toward a democracy. The problem is Hamas, not the Israelis or the palestinians.

 

So you agree that judeo/ Christian are pagan and do not follow the bible?

 

Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”

 

You have ceased to make any logical sense at all, Esau. I made no such assertion at all....

 

I have no idea of who or what "Chirac" is. There have been many Bible 'prophecies' made by many people through the ages, most of them long after the Council of Nicea. Few have come true. What's the point?

 

Thats exactly what you're doing. Christians that don't truly observe the bible, precept upon precept are crypto pagan, which is what all white Judeo-Christians are essentially