From Reuters and about Trump

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  1. Condor060

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    They were ordered by Obama to go after conservative groups. Everyone knows it. The IRS didn't out of the blue decide to do this on their own. If they did they would have gone after Liberal groups as well.

    They got caught when (under the Obama administration) people came forward with the evidence in hearings and it was MORE THAN OBVIOUS what they were doing. Thats why they made their apology.
     
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    BS, the DOJ refused to defend them and forced the apology to appease RW donors.
    Where are the criminal charges?
     
  3. independentthinker

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    Those are not reasons. All of that could be done and is already known about tax loopholes. The IRS already audits people if they suspect the tax returns are not correct. You don't violate someone's rights just to get information you already have or can get without violating Trump's rights. What was the legal reason why Trump's tax returns were needed? Fishing expeditions don't count.
     
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    Well since you first claimed it never happened, now that you can't defend that claim, its all Sessions fault and blah blah blah.
    Prove it.
    What are you going to charge the IRS with? lol
     
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    Of course they are reasons. The law gives them the power to request returns. The Irs didn’t catch Nixon, congress did.
     
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    Was it the entire entity or specific people? It happened but it wasn’t criminal or malicious.
     
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    So you admit it is nothing more than a witch hunt hoping to find witches.
     
  8. The Mello Guy

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    I don’t think updating our laws is a witch hunt
     
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    So he is part of the 40 presidents that did NOT and not part of the 5 that did?
    Fake News. He provided a wealth of information including a net worth statement.
    More fake news. He didn't release his returns because he is under audit. He, at all times, was in compliance with information required of a President and a candidate.
     
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    You can update tax laws without getting Trump's tax returns. That is NOT necessary. Most in the know, know exactly how tax strategies work. It's not like we have to learn about them from Trump's tax returns. We already know how rich people do it. It's not a crime to follow tax laws, even if you use loopholes. The poor do it all the time. The left just don't like it when the rich people do it.
     
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    President Trumps "Justice Dept" under Jeff Sessions made them. He also fined them and took that money and gave it to Republican PAC's. This was probably the most ridiculously made up "scandal" in american history. Now read that again.....Jeff Sessions (REPUBLICAN), unilaterally decided guilt and fines......taking money from the federal government and gave it to Rep PAC's.......let that sink in for a minute

    Republicans to the IRS - did the IRS audit any republican PAC's ?
    IRS - Yes
    Republicans - THEY ARE TARGETING US BECAUSE WE ARE REPUBLICANS !!!
    Dems - We were audited to and had to pay fines too....
    Republicans - THIS IS A SCANDAL OF EPIC PROPORTIONS
    Dems - but we were audited too, and paid just as many fines.......
    Jeff Sessions- PAY FINES TO THE REPUBLICAN PACS !!!!!!!!!!
    Americans - wait, the republican government is giving money to the republican party because they didn't pay their taxes.........and they are taking the money from americans tax dollars to do that ?
     
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    what loopholes do the poor have? ... lol ...
     
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    Working under the table and not reporting that income and paying taxes on it, just to name one. You know darn well that many cheat on their taxes or even white lies to get all of the deductions they can to pay as little taxes as possible, even down to zero. As I said, the left just don't like it when the rich do the very same thing the poor people do.
     
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    so all you have is working under the table ... what deductions do poor people have other than children? ... do they claim receipts for their 7-11 breakfast burritos? ...
     
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    They also want to make sure the Irs is handling presidential returns properly. The law gives them this power.
     
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    Yes and congress is in compliance with what info they can request.
     
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    I had a lot more. I believe I said, "just to name one". People cheat on their taxes all the time, everyone from the rich down to the poor. You just don't like it when the rich do it, even though THEY are the ones paying almost all of the federal income taxes collected. 50% pay zero. You're not paying your fair share when you pay zero.
     
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    Hogwash.
     
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    then name the others ...
     
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    Brilliant since they don't pay taxes come on man. Just a heads up the dems can end the loop holes right now but won't because those donors dem donars won't like it much. Playing politics over taxes is dumb, the dems raise taxes full well knowing the loop holes that the rich will get out of the higher taxes. Republicans lower taxes and when they try to kill a loop hole like Trump did with SALT, dems go ballistic. What happens, the rich keep their loopholes regardless.
     
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    I can't debate with someone who has their heads so far down in the sand that their head pops up in China. Why don't you just say it is ok for people to cheat on their taxes, but at a certain income level you are not allowed to even use legal tax strategies to pay less taxes? It is obvious that you can't debate honestly if you refuse to even acknowledge that people cheat on their taxes and you don't have to be rich to do it.
     
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    All lies. You guys love to make up BS, don't you.
    This wasn't about audits, it was about refusing tax exempt status for 467 conservative groups. The IRS SETTLED with those groups, paid those groups for the damages they created, and had to make a public apology.

    But thanks for confirming just how far the left will go to make yet another BS claim.
     
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    Nobody is making the tax returns public.
     
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    LOL. Yeah, right. Congressional Democrats are leak city. The only thing they want Trump's tax returns for is to leak stuff to the press so that the New York Times can quote anonymous sources Trump this and Trump that but we can't reveal our sources.
     
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    Sounds like a dream. A nightmare even.

    Try reality.
     
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