From Reuters and about Trump

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  1. Condor060

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    Except that the controversy began in 2013 when an IRS official admitted the agency had been aggressively scrutinizing groups with names such as Tea Party and Patriots. So theres that.

    After the IRS confession in 2013, its top echelons were quickly cleaned out and 427 Conservative groups sued in federal court. The IRS decided to settle and the consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status and its was signed of by the federal judge assigned to the lawsuit.

    Hows that for blah blah blah. Even CNN reported the same information but you decided all by yourself that it never happened. lol
     
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    Its called The Federal Privacy Act of 1974 and establishes a code of fair information practices that governs the collection, maintenance, use, and dissemination of information about individuals that is maintained in systems of records by federal agencies.
     
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    "Everyone knows it. " Surest indication known that what follows is Republican Fabrication
     
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    All you're doing is repeating yourself. The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) found nothing. Trump agreeing to a settlement in which he stipulated that Obama was naughty and icky affirms the nothingness. The judge made no "finding" but signed a dismissal.

    There's not a damned thing that shows any "targeting" of conservative groups. Facts are a bitch.
     
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    Except that the controversy began in 2013 when an IRS official admitted the agency had been aggressively scrutinizing groups with names such as Tea Party and Patriots.

    After the IRS confession in 2013, its top echelons were quickly cleaned out and 427 Conservative groups sued in federal court. The IRS decided to settle and the consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status and its was signed of by the federal judge assigned to the lawsuit.

    Can you dispute the information?
     
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    My pleasure
     
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    The inconvenient truth: Our corrupt ruling political class uses the IRS to target and suppress its political opposition.

    NBC NEWS, “IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups, The Associated Press reports that the Internal Revenue Service says it gave extra scrutiny to organizations with the names "Tea Party" or "Patriot" seeking tax-exempt status.WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Internal Revenue Service is apologizing for inappropriately flagging conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.” By Mark Murray, Senior Political Editor, NBC News, May 10,2013.

     
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    No, but I didn't know it, and I'm among 'everybody'
     
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    Speaking of facts,
    Statement from the IRS recorded in the settlement agreement
    Senior management within the IRS’s Exempt Organizations Division was delinquent in its responsibility to provide effective control, guidance, and direction over the processing of applications for tax exempt status filed by Tea Party and other political advocacy organizations.

    The settlement blamed the IRS officials for mistreating conservative organizations who sought tax-exempt status and that IRS officials covered up the misconduct and misled Congress.

    The officials included former Commissioner Douglas Shulman, former acting Commissioner Steven Miller, and Lois Lerner, the former head of the unit overseeing applications for tax-exempt status.

    Obama fired Miller after an internal 2013 IRS audit released found poor management that led to an inappropriate focus on conservative groups.

    But you thought the IRS paid out millions in a settlement in federal court because Obama was naughty and icky. The facts are in the transcript EXACTLY as I have provided.

    So what documents do you have to support your ick claim, or is this just all talk?
     
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    We are in agreement, totally :).
     
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    IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups

    https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/5603...or-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

    IRS Commissioner Warns Of Prosecution If Bombshell Tax Records Were Leaked Illegally To ProPublica

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahh...aked-illegally-to-propublica/?sh=37a39c1b24aa

    You're now educated. So quit with the partisan propaganda.

    You're welcome.
     
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    The Trump Administration "settled" the suits that way. If the underlying facts don't support that narrative, then aren't you wrong?

    Keep repeating yourselves; that seems to be the M.O.
     
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    THE BITTER BUT NECESSARY PILL OF TAXATION

    And why, pray tell, should Tax Records not become part of the public-domain if their first purpose is as evidence of inappropriate Tax Declaration? Why should anybody who dares make such a demeanor not be investigated and brought to justice? And, if repetitive, why should they not do jail-time in a penitentiary?

    What in heaven's name is so special about the very rich who cheat the government of their due-taxation? They should be warned and fined the first time it happens. But the second time they go to jail. And the third time for an even longer sentence!.

    All that is so damn simple, but it is NOT HAPPENING! People like Donald Dork have been getting away with Taxation Manipulation for decades upon decades.

    From vox.com (2019, so a bit dated): More people are cheating on their taxes, but fewer are going to jail

    Excerpt:
    MY POINT

    You pay your taxes, so you should be outraged by those who don't! Tax-avoidance is one thing (if done by the rules) but failure to pay full-taxation should bring about a jail-sentence for those who persist beyond the first-time ...

    PS: If an American is retired and living in Europe, their US retirement-income is taxed in their country of residence.
     
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    Tax-records need not be published, they do no real good to do so.

    But tax-avoidance that is criminal should be, indeed, published and if done repetitively not only fined but jail-time must be done. The law must punish those who do not support the financial integrity of the nation!

    That is the ONLY WAY that some rich-but-ignorant people who are caught escaping taxation should be treated ...
     
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    The left seem to call legal tax strategies "tax avoidance". It's not against the law to use legal tax strategies. It is up to the IRS to determine who they want to audit and who they don't want to audit and when a person is audited the IRS will determine what is legal and what is not or whether someone has committed downright criminal acts. It is not up to a partisan House of representatives to make these determinations.
     
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    There is a legal difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. The term is not made up.

    I suggest you do your homework.
     
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    Dupe
     
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    Which means what. Nothing illegal can even happen with the left if they are investigated by Republicans? .

    Or maybe Obama in may of 2013 who forces Miller to resign after it comes to light that he knew about the targeting.

    In 2013 The IRS holds a conference call with reporters where they admit they’ve made mistakes in the last few years while trying to process requests from groups seeking tax-exempt status.

    May 14, 2013 The report by the Treasury Inspector General of the Tax Administration is released and finds that the IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention.

    Yet another leftist claim dashed on the rocks of reality
     
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    THE RICH DO INDEED PAY THEIR TAXES

    From Statista here: Percentage of US households that pay no income tax by income level

    Better yet, here: "Percentage of households in the United States that paid no income tax in 2019, by income level" is a more complete listing of the same nature, which goes up much further the income-ladder to the top. Shown in the stats: In fact, the higher the income-level the higher also the percentage of those who do indeed pay their taxes.
     
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    Homework is not necessary. The IRS determines these things, not the House.
     
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    What does that have anything to do with what we were talking about?
     
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    FYI, tax avoidance and tax evasion..
    That is a legal definition.

    Your post about tax avoidance being made up is wrong.
     
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    The IRS determines these things, not the House.
     

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