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Georgia prosecutors say all 16 fake Trump electors are targets in criminal probe

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  1. bx4

    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    You’re right there’s a big difference between presenting themselves as “alternate Electors if needed” and “the Electors from Georgia”.

    In two states, the fake Electors presented themselves the first way. Provisionally. If needed. In Georgia, they didn’t claim the same provisional status.

    I’m glad you see the “big difference” and you now understand why they are targets of a criminal investigation.
     
    bx4, Jul 21, 2022
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    That you explained it perfectly doesn't mean he's going to see it.... Trust me!
     
    Egoboy, Jul 21, 2022
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  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What's the crime in signing clearly marked "unofficial" documents?
     
    Bluesguy, Jul 21, 2022
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  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    They were CLEARLY marked as UNOFFICIAL......not government documents.
     
    Bluesguy, Jul 21, 2022
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  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And they were distinguished as not government documents federal or state.
     
    Bluesguy, Jul 21, 2022
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Now here's a bitch letter from Georgia that is a YUGE waste of time (and a year late).....

    SNIP
    The Georgia congressmen said the MLB’s decision to move the All-Star Game from Atlanta to Denver last year cost the state more than $100 million and had a negative impact on Georgians financially.

    Loudermilk and Carter said they want answers on when the MLB will return the All-Star Game to Atlanta, whether the organization will remedy the harm it caused, and if the MLB will commit to “depoliticize” baseball in the future and consult all parties involved before making future decisions with a big impact.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-republicans-press-mlb-commissioner-235021211.html

    Yes it did, Georgia voters... pay attention to how your legislature is actively committed to LOSING money for your state....

    Other answers:
    Next Atlanta game? Perhaps never
    Remedy the harm it caused? Perhaps never
    Depoliticize baseball? After Georgia depoliticizes voting rights (Go Stacey!!)...
     
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  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It was very different.

    The ten 2016 "faithless" electors were legitimate electors.

    Trump's fakes in 2020 were not.

     
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    Natty Bumpo, Aug 17, 2022
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    Faithless electors aren't legitimate.
     
    Wild Bill Kelsoe, Aug 17, 2022
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  9. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Duly appointed vs fraudulent.

    The ten 2016 "faithless" electors were legitimate electors.

    Trump's fakes in 2020 were not.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 17, 2022
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  10. Bluesguy

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    Neither were the ones who would have replaced Trump electors or Bush electors had those challenges won during the vote counting. The ones in Georgia never presented themselves as the official electors but as those who would become the electors should the Congress vote to send it back to GA and the GA legislature had decertified them.

    Clinton tried to get electors to change their votes as opposed to what they were elected and become fake Clinton electors.
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 17, 2022
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Their votes were illegitimate.
     
    Wild Bill Kelsoe, Aug 17, 2022
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    In 2016, 10 legitimate electors were "unfaithful," voting or attempting to vote for a candidate different from the ones to whom they were pledged. Clinton lost five of her pledged electors while Trump lost two.

    In 2020, in Georgia and elsewhere, Trump attempted to substitute his fake electors for the legitimate ones. In addition to Georgia, Republicans in Arizona, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin all submitted lists of fake Trump electors.

     
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    Natty Bumpo, Aug 17, 2022
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Not entirely, in 2020. Clinton lost five electoral votes, and Trump two.

    In 2020, Trump's scheme to substitute his bum kissers for legitimate electors failed.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 17, 2022
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    Faithless electors are illegal.
     
    Wild Bill Kelsoe, Aug 17, 2022
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  15. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Not in Alabama, Alaska, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 17, 2022
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  16. Bluesguy

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    Yes after she and her colleagues engaged in a campaign to flip electors so she would win.


    Yes by using the EVA to challenge them in Congress and have a couple of states decertify their slates and the state legislatures would appoint a new slate. Like the Dems have done in the past including when he won. Their efforts got no further than theirs when the VP rufused the challenges or they could not get a member of the other body to support it.​
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 18, 2022
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  17. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Desperate "Oh, yeah! Well, what about...?" attempts at diversion need to be substantiated.

    Documentation?

    Documentation?
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 18, 2022
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    What are you denying? The faithless electors or the electoral vote challenges?
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 18, 2022
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  19. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Can you cite any credible sources to sustain your claims?

    Back to the topic,

    [O]n Dec. 14, 2020 ... something unusual happened: In several battleground states where Joe Biden had defeated Trump, representatives of the losing side decided that they, too, would gather as purported electors to sign certificates falsely attesting to a Trump win and submit them for approval by Congress...

    This was no small caper by a few disappointed Trump loyalists.

    The fake electoral certificates were signed by Republican state lawmakers and party officials in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico, states accounting for a combined 84 electoral votes. And like the violent insurrectionists who came to the Capitol on Jan. 6 with knives, bats and other weapons, the fake electors sought to overturn a democratic election through extralegal means...

    Like the rioters, they failed. The Justice Department ... is investigating the fake certificates. So are state prosecutors and the Jan. 6 committee in Congress...

    Most of the fake certificates were put forward as if they were real ones. They have a header that says "certificate of the votes of the 2020 electors," and the signers refer to themselves as "being duly elected and qualified electors."

    The Trump certificates were signed by well-known Republicans including elected officials and party leaders...

    Pence refused to go along with the plan to overturn the results.

    [https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jan/28/what-you-need-know-about-fake-trump-electors/]​
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 18, 2022
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    Prove what that the Dems challenged electors in 2000, 2004 and 2016? It has been cited repeatedly in this forum why does it need to be cited again?

    You yourself proved the bad faith electors no need for me to waste my time.
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 18, 2022
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Nevermind.

    I already knew that you could provide no credible sources.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Aug 18, 2022
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  22. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What SPEFICIALLY do you need a source? What specifically are you denying?
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 18, 2022
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You can drop your desperate attempt at diversion.

    Current litigation:

    Georgia prosecutors say all 16 fake Trump electors are targets in criminal probe

    The scheme, which the White House counsel said was not legally sound, has attracted scrutiny from the House Jan. 6 committee and reportedly a criminal inquiry from the Justice Department.​

    Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and Trump attorney, appeared Wednesday before the Fulton County special grand jury after he was informed by prosecutors that he was a target of the probe.

    WASHINGRON EXAMINER    ​
     
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  24. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Which refutes nothing that I said nor answer my question to you what are you denying that I said?

    And what exactly is the crime that is being alleged. The electors were alternate electors and would replace the ones certified by the SecState of Georgia ONLY if the Congress voted to send those delegates back to the state, as under the EVA provisions, and the state legislature would decertify the election and appoint new ones as provided under GA law.

    You know they didn't kidnap the certified electors and wisk them away to some unknown location and then these came in claiming to be the officially certified electors. What do you think would have happened if any of the previous Dem challenges to electors had won, there would have been no electors for those states? Of course not the state legislature would have sent a new slate.
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 19, 2022
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    No, your desperate attempt at diversion failed. My focus remains on the thread's topic, and actual current litigation.

    I anticipate that whatever defense Trump's handlers can contrive will be presented in court and properly adjudicated - in this and other Trumpy legal proceedings.
     
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