Germany will sell Saudi Arabia 100 war ships

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    Ever hear of the Morgenthau Plan?
     
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    If the young germans are like my nephews (24 and 22 y.o) I´m not surprised.. they know nothing about political questions, just games, twitters, girls and football (and work and money)... USA is not the most dangerous threat for the peace.... It is not USA, but Iran or North Korea who threaten to destroy countries like Israel or USA...It is not USA who attacked civil September 11, The U.S.A. has made ​​many mistakes ... but They aren´t a threat to the world. On the other hand, without U.S. aid (Marshall Plan), Europe had taken centuries to ge over.
    Between other factors, Germany has managed to develop thanks to its population, and also because It´s not developed an expansive military policy as it did between 1888-1914 and between 1933-1939.Germany doesn´t need a large army today. It is not threatened by anyone, and certainly their neighbors (Poland, CR etc) wouldn´t like a reborn german militarism.

    Yes.

    Regards.
     
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    No.
    Arabs and Muslims are the most dangerous threat for the peace in the world.
    Next comes N.Korea
     
  5. Anobsitar

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    In the moment the reputation of the USA is deeper than the reputation of Northkorea in Germany. That's not a joke.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYnxLSwQSeI

    Far in the Champagne in midsummer green
    there where poppy flowers bloom between grave crosses
    there the grasses whisper and shake themselves effortlessly
    in the wind, which gently sweeps over the graveyard
    At your cross I find dead soldier,
    not your name, only numbers and someone has painted
    the number 1916,
    and you were not even 19 years old.

    Yes, they have also already deceived you similarly
    just as they do with us still today,
    and you have given them everything :
    your strength, your youth, your life.

    Have you dead soldier, once loved a girl?
    Surely not, because only here, where there is peace,
    could tenderness and trust flourish,
    were a soldier, about to die, not be too young.
    Perhaps you thought to yourself, I will fall soon,
    I will take my pleasure, as it comes, with force.
    To this end you were determined, you have however then
    been ashamed of yourself and never did it.

    Yes, they have also already deceived you similarly
    just as they do with us still today,
    and you have given them everything :
    your strength, your youth, your life.

    Soldier, did you go believing and gladly to your death?
    or have you too doubtfully, bitterly, roughly
    not recognized your true enemy until the end?
    I hope it hit you a clean shot?
    Or has a bullet torn your limbs to pieces,
    have you cried out to your mother until the last,
    have you on your leg stumps run further,
    and your grave, does it hold more than a leg, a hand?

    Yes, they have also already deceived you similarly
    just as they do with us still today,
    and you have given them everything :
    your strength, your youth, your life.

    There remained only the cross as the single trace/proof
    of your life, but hear my oath,
    to fight for peace and to be vigilant :
    If mankind once again falls for lies here
    then it can come to pass, that soon no one lives anymore,
    no one, who will bury the billions of dead?
    However I find more and more people willing,
    to prevent this battle, it is time.

    Yes, they have also already deceived you similarly
    just as they do with us still today,
    and you have given them everything :
    your strength, your youth, your life.
     
  6. martin76

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    Is USA the "responsible" for causing the Great War?:roll::roll:

    Maybe Serbia? Russia? Germany? France? But USA Not.In 1914 USA lack of the power, they had in 2014 and Washington's opinion was not taken into account by Paris, St. Petersburg, London, Wien or Berlin ...all that was nothing more than a dispute between "cousin" Willy, "cousin" Georgie, "cousin" Niky and "granpa" Franz...this is just a fight between family members. (Imperial Kronpriz).

    About the song is a German version of the song No Man's Land or Green Field of France, about 1914-1918.

    The same song in English

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqba0IUdiBk

    Maybe for you It´s better this one: Ich hatte einen kameraden...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnkV-KWYnI

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    I can only speak with a high respect of the young people in this age I know on my own. On the other side we have very heavy problems with alcohol and drugs here.

    Not so here.

    It was similiar when i was very young. When I met the first American in my age - we were 18 - I was a little confused. We had no common element in our thoughts and lifestyle. I had the feeling the guy is 14 and not 18. He was always only looking for amusement and it seemed to me he was not able to understand that we had no amusement factory in our home.

    There was for example never existing any legitimation for the USA to attack the Iraq. A preemptive strike is not self-defense but a first strike.

    That's uninteresting for the most Germans. The Iran - very friendly people by the way - is not able to attack the USA - and the situation of Israel is very special.

    I would say now: We made a very heavy mistake when we were shocked about 9/11. We never should had given our politicians the allowness to send only one soldier to Afghanistan.

    Nonsense.

    Please. Wrong friends are thousands time more worse than true enemies. The USA was even before World War 1 fascinating for us. Lots of Americans have german ancestors. So let it be to say such completly idiotic sentences. We had always good contacts to the USA since the USA is existing.

    Germany had won world war 1 if the USA had not changed this history - but this doesn't mean world war 1 was the fault of the Germans or the Austrians or the Osman Empire. The reason for the intervention of the USA was the interest of England not to let Russia be the follower of the dying Osman Empire. In this case Russia would be today the only superpower on planet Earth.

    Short: The "holy roman empire of german nation" (german="united" in this context) died in the first decade of the 19th century. Afterwards a german empire did not exist anymore. Germany broke afterwards in different parts - the rest of the german countries was conquered from Prussia - while Austria builded a multinational empire. The Prussians were militarists - not so the other german tribes. Prussia is dead since a very long time now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TEGPelS3Ac
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_OvT3Qm45E
     
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    Ask me if I give a sh*t. But instead of wasting your time here, why not put it to good use by communicating with your government and insisting that they ask us to leave. I can assure you we will. And I, for one, will be overjoyed when that happens.
     
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    That's normal - you are an American. We would get some good ideas what to do with our sh't on our own - or we would sell it to someone who has a good idea what to do with.

    Don't worry. I forgive you to waste my time.

    If I remember - ¿is it true or not? - that our parliament decided once that all american soldiers have to leave Germany - but no one cared about. Could had been also a dream only - but would be typical for our country. An american poltician - ¿or was he from the US-army? - asked for example our current premier of Bavaria how many US-soldiers are living in Bavaria - and our premier did not know. Why should he? On the other side it's a little strange if someone asks something what he should know on his own and becomes - if I heard it the right way - even a litte angry when the answer he liked to hear was not the answer he got.

    No - not really. The USA is an imperial might. It gives "you" a feeling of importance and a feeling of safety to have soldiers in the heart of Europe.

    if that happens. Your overchoice are democrats or republicans and no one knows who's the devil and who's his deputy. Indeed you seem not to understand that our view on the USA is a result of the politics of the USA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0d1dFD_xIE
     
  10. martin76

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    Anobistar,

    The same legitimation for Iraq to attack Kuwait (1990) or Iran (1980) or the same legitimation for North Korea to attack South Korea (1950) or Pakistan to India or India to Portugal...
    Since when a war requires “legitimation"? War is always legitimate because it is a State sovereign right!!!!
    In fact, U.S.A. is the only world power that wanted to accept the UN mandate before starting a war. War, never forget, begun in 1990 when Iraq attacked Kuwait.... When did Germany invaded Poland in 1939...wanted to have an internatiional support before the invasion? No.

    I think It´s uninteresting for the most human... but seriousness or importance don´t depend if It´s interesting or not ... nobody paid much attention to a simple vegetarian corporal ... and everybody knows how ended that matter ...

    Afghanistan was ruled and terrorized by a band of fanatics medievalists, Taliban, that not even they were from Afghanistan ... even if there had not been 9/11 It´s worth finish with that wild and Brutal totalitarist and theocratic regime (the same for North Korea).

    Sense, Sense… No Marshall, not German reconstruction ... You know what were the Soviets and French plans for Germany? Thanks to USA, Germany (West, of course) could be reconstructed and indirectly DDR. (Soviets changed their plans about Germany). Without Marshall and without USA.. nowadays Germany would be like in XIV century: 300 states, all working in Agriculture.

    .

    I wasn´t born yesterday.. I Know that about 50 to 60% USA population came from Germany or Habsburg States...so where is the “idiotic” sentences.. when I wrote about population, I speak about German population... (two hours working free is to be admired).

    False. Nor Germany nor Britain nor France nor Italy nor nobody could win the war from a military point of view. It was a diabolical standpoint impossible to solve. Germany (and the K und K Monarchy) were exhausted (like the British Empire, France and others). By other side, USA intervened in the war for the disastrous Kaiser Wilhelm´s foreign policy. USA was neutral and they don´t like too much Entente.

    Ok, Probably WW1 was not German or K und K fault... Servia and Russia were gultiers than Central Empires, I think. But, again German foreign policy was disastrous... In 1914, the German Empire lacked a conductor, a”Dirigent” .. Bismarck had known to solve the crisis ... Bethmann Hollweg, No.

    The reason for the intervention of the USA has nothing related to England. The main reasons were the unrestricted submarine war, the money lent to Entente and the Von Papen´s Schwank!! (The german relation with Pancho Villa (Francisco Doroteo Aragon, and the german help to Mexico recoverd the territories USA invaded in 1845-1848) etc etc. More than a Diplomatic Corps, German Embassy in Washington was the Kaisertheatre...

    To think Russia had been superpower without USA intervention... Is It a Joke? Soviet was the greater military superpower from 1945.... and What? You can have the most powerful nuclear weapons in the world (The Tsar Bomb) and what? It´s better to make good cars, kitchen and eletronic consumers products than Nuke... I think. In fact, Tzar Bomb http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN602 didn´t t prevent the collapse of the USSR and Communist tyranny.

    In fact It is the Holy Roman Empire (The only German Empire lasted from 1871 to 1918).. nor all the lands in Holy Roman Empire were “german” (Not Milano, Venecia, or Firenze or Lyon, or Aix, Marseille or Brussels) nor all “german” lands belonged to Holy Empire (Konigsberg, Posen, Stettin, Hermandstadt etc etc).

    Austria (like Holy Empire) always was multinational... the loalty to Habsburg Family (I know this very very good). By the way, your youtube aren´t german songs, but austrian songs, better to say Habsburg Songs:
    Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06643umEJZg (Yellow and Black, the Roman Holy Empire flag adopted by Habsburg Family). (Kaiserhymne composed by an austrian music man to an austrian family)

    And this one is the Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze, a version of the other one, also Kaiserhymne till 1918.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMMhfR5i9wA

    By the way, the BDR hymne is a version of K und K Monarchy hymne... Do you know if germans have paid the Copyright?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNf2gR3Vmu0

    This is the German Imperial Hymne (This one isn´t a K und K copy like nowadays is the BDR hymne)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFwgUVyvkCU


    I don´t understand your antiamericanism... USA is imperialist, of course, but not more than the European countries have been... European Union is a club of former imperialist countries...It Is the first of all, the teacher began the imperialism (Greece), also we have the five classical (Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, French and British Empires), the three boys who were late (Belgium, Italy and Germany), the Empire by definition (Austria-Hungary) and the Small Nordic Imperialism (Sweden, Denmark)... and Do you name "imperialist" to USA?

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    I'm not wasting your time, you are. I'm trying to get you to quite wasting time bit*ching about it and do something about it. I also don't give a sh*t about whether you forgive me.

    Google failed to turn up anything about this; so if you have a source, please post it. I'd really, really like to see it.

    Bullsh*t

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-leave-base-in-philippines-1554691.html

    I evidently didn't make myself clear. I DON'T GIVE A SH!T.
     
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    Germans are doing whatever we do because we do what we do. So I'm not able to waste my time. I will learn under all circumstances something about your language and your culture and the way you are thinking - better to say: the way how you avoid to think.

    "bit*ching" ... one moment please ... ah: nörgeln, meckern ... No idea what you like to say.

    Doesn't make any matter.

    Could be I remember wrong or google has no allowness from the american government to show anyone anything about this information.


    Not really.

    Sure you don't give a sh!t - you are an American. It's for example not a big theme in the United States if one of your leading diplomats says "(*)(*)(*)(*) the EU" to Wiktor Janukowytsch. Why should it? That's normal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17hEcSsv57g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY
     
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    Good to know that our young people are right if they say the USA is the greatest threat for the peace in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-B_KL3PFI
     
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    your intellectual level is tremendous ... definitely.

    Regards.
     
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    The thread has devolved to little more than Flame/Insulting innuendo.
     
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