its not flame baiting, its the truth. and you cant tell if someone bought or sold a gun illegally? lol wow you are trying hard to say there is no way to regulate the criminal element arent you haha!!!!!!! but anyways if someone owns a gun illegally its not hard at all to find out. and they have caught gun stores in the past who did sell their weapons to people who werent allowed to own a gun. another thing we could do is to require background checks at gun shows and make straw purchases illegal as well. another thing would be to where if a citizen was gonna sell one of their weapons privately they would have to be required to not only show that they legally own the firearm, BUT they will also be required to perform a background check on the person they are selling it too. as many ways as you can think to only attack the law abiding, there are just as many ways to attack the criminal element not only by closing loopholes, but also by using simple common sense.
i blame a lot of things, especially the culture. Here in Memphis the high flying blacks keep other blacks down, it has nothing to do with not having an opportunity. since this city became a high black population and was ran totally by black politicians it has gone to hell in a hand basket. Memphis used to be one of the cleanest and nicest little cities in the country, but its going to rubble very quickly. blacks dont care about blacks down here, the black politicians are more worried about tax dollars paying for their leased Cadillacs and free lunches, eventhough they have their own cars and have a very steady income. the black politicians down here get downsize the police department and fire department to make sure they dont have to take a pay cut. Then they want to scream "its whitey's fault" when only a handful of white people are even in office down here and they dont even have any real power. Blacks took over a city that was in the black and quickly put it in the red with their policies and destroyed the cities school system, they literally broke it and their is no longer a memphis city school system. in Memphis, blacks need to look in the mirror as to who's fault it is with the outcome of the city.
I didn't say states. Police departments are run at the local level. I am talking about districts, counties and cities etc...there are very liberal places in the south and very conservative ones in California etc... Once, and twice while I was out with my car there. I lived in very democrat tallahassee at the time.
Dishonest comment! When people say "progressives," they mean progressives in general. That's understood. It can never be every single one of any group of millions.
Who is it that shot down background checks? Conservatives. http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...-the-90-percent-lost-on-gun-background-checks Let's look at the current system: We choose not to put measures in place to prevent criminals (including international criminals) from getting guns in the first place because criminals' money is as good as anyone elses.... http://soundcloud.com/thinkpro/nra-l...ys-connecticut We then use the fact that there are armed criminals to scare people into believing they need guns to protect themselves from... other people with guns (which means more sales). http://www.academia.edu/547504/INDUS...strial_Complex If a politician makes any noise about denting this profit loop (by limiting our ability to sell guns to criminals) we claim that they're planning to "take our guns away", so people rush out and purchase more... http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/14/po...un-laws-battle The only people winning are firearm manufacturers who fund the NRA (about half of their total funding - directly or indirectly), buy politicians and delude the least educated members of our population with a bunch of rhetoric disguised as nationalism. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-restrictions/ http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/04/more_gun_owners.html And it never seems to occur to these folks that they are completely contradicting themselves when they vote for politicians who cut funding for public agencies (like police) in the name of "small government" then complain that police aren't enforcing existing laws sufficiently. Murica!
So your viewpoint is that the minority of blue areas in a predominantly red state are producing enough crime to make the whole state look bad, but the predominantly blue states with a minority of red areas are somehow unaffected... totally logical
I am saying that the majority of violent crimes occur in cities and municipalities run by democrats. Michigan has a low crime rate per capita, a republican governor and super high crime flint and Detroit. Crime is the issue of local government. Giuliani cleaned up NY, not Pataki. Fun fact. All the stats the left likes to use like for how great the north is vs the south, let me remind you the north peaked under republican leadership at a time when people moved there. The south now republican is rising, and people are moving here. People have always moved to the places republicans control and out of places democrats control over time. You may have better schools, but they got to the top under republicans and now the south is closing the gap now that is rid of many democrats. (They still turn around horrible results in the very liberal very strong democrat parts. Democrats run the worst school districts in the south and the north). - - - Updated - - - Got to get rid of all the leftists and race hustlers and democrat influence peddlers in their local districts.
Why don't you name a republican run town with high crime and I will name 4 run by democrats. See who runs out first? Up for the challenge? By high crime, lets say any town with a higher per capita murder rate then the EU - - - Updated - - - Why don't you name a republican run town with high crime and I will name 4 run by democrats. See who runs out first? Up for the challenge? By high crime, lets say any town with a higher per capita murder rate then the EU
Fun fact. Most areas of high population density vote blue. This issue you're pointing out is that crime occurs in cities. STOP THE PRESSES!! Fun fact. Most areas that vote blue are also the areas with highest education. Will you now try telling everyone that high education creates criminals?
Not only was it NOT self-defeating, it showed that your half-baked post only covered a small part of the issue (guns which were fired), while falsely pretending it covered the whole issue. Hate to be shown to be wrong ? Here's both posts once again ignoring your definition of what is or isn't "founded" or "unfounded" (it may surprise you to learn that not everybody will accept your definitions) Originally Posted by Logician0311 View Post "Rather than being used for self-defense, guns in the home are 22 times more likely to be involved in accidental shootings, homicides, or suicide attempts. For every one time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182 From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings. More than a third of the victims were under 25 years of age. http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/...ction_inj.html By all means, don't let the progressives disarm you. We need more Darwin awards" Protectionist answered: "And if we factored in all the times guns in the home were "used" self-defensively, to stop violence and other crime, without ever being fired, we quite probably could see 1000 times as many of those as unintentional shootings, criminal assaults or homicides, or attempted or completed suicides. Another example of common knowledge/sense easily trumping the statistics Gods." The last sentence explains it all. >> Common knowledge/common sense. Very often a better gauge than somebody's deliberately contorted sources, designed to promote their agenda. And thanks for giving me the opportunity to expose your little ploy once again.
New York City has a high population density. Why don't you have any success stories on the left like Giuliani? Why do you have the highest per capita crime rate cities?
thas something i truly cant answer simply because thats something the african american community must handle on their own. a good start would be to stop trying to blame whitey for everything and start hollring and screaming about black on black crime that occurs every single day on a huge basis like they would over a white on black crime.
Are you seriously expecting me to know every town's individual per capita murder rate, as well as the political affiliation of every town's elected officials? Obviously, urban areas have higher crime rates than rural areas - no matter who's running the place.
are you saying there are no background checks to buy guns anywhere??? no, we choose to put measures in place like making it illegal for citizens to buy guns, like in chicago where only criminals own guns and they commit a (*)(*)(*)(*) load of shootouts a day. or we make laws where a law abiding citizen can only have so many rounds in a mag like in NY, meanwhile criminals who are gonna stay having extended clips and fully auto machine guns now know they will have an advantage on their victims. Oh yeah, and now in NYC the criminal element knows exactly who owns guns thanks to the states government allowing a news paper to publish the names and addresses of law abiding citizens on a map so they know who is packing legally. Yeah, once again upper hand always goes to criminals. btw,link dont work, but im guessing its another old one. i know right, i cant believe people encourage others to buy a gun for self defense to give them a better chance at surviving against a criminal with a gun. i swear thats so stupid,i mean seriously these people should just leave it in the criminals hands of whether their victim lives or dies. They should just hope that criminal has had a great day and in a good mood. once again link no worky. no, those who are allowed to defend themselves against packing criminals are winning too, at least they have a half a chance at surviving a thug with a gun. you mean like in Memphis where democrats are cutting the police force every chance they get so they dont have to lose out on their paychecks and give eachother raises? i know you want to blame it all on republicans, and yeah they have their idiotic ideas as far as not doing (*)(*)(*)(*) to help the problem. but in this case it really does take 2 to tango. the democrats are very much screwing things up as well.
"Could Most Probably" is - by definition - an unfounded assertion. There's no amount of repeating yourself that will change that.
I see. So you believe that only local government can have any impact on crime... So why do we have Federal laws and law enforcement? Despite your desire to control the format of a debate, you do not have that authority.
Sorry, I must have been unclear. I'm saying most people support background checks, but that conservative politicians shot them down anyway as a result of NRA lobbying - to protect the interests of gun manufacturers who make a mint selling firearms to EVERYONE and then using the fact that criminals have guns as a fearmonger marketing strategy to sell even more. Is that clear enough? I'll agree that he's a jackass, but the point isn't about Sandy Hook. It's about the fact that he's openly admitting there are legal loopholes that the NRA are choosing to keep open by controlling conservative politicians. You may ask. I choose not to provide this information since how I feel about my surroundings is an internal matter unrelated to the topic. At what point did I say that the object is to prevent lawful owners from having firearms? Yes, I've discussed gun deaths. Firstly, because a system that prevents criminals from easily obtaining firearms would lower this, as would a system that prevents accidental shootings. A) I didn't say that lawful owners shouldn't have firearms B) When discussing the benefits and risks associated with firearms, it is perfectly valid to include discussion over the number of occasions when a person has had to defend their home from armed invaders to the number of accidental shootings that occur.
if they were shot down i wouldnt have to have a backgroun d check everytime i buy a new gun from a dealer here in bright red Tennessee, or Florida, or Alabama, etc. etc. . background checks take place in damned near every state, they werent shot down. which loopholes are we talking about? actually its a very relevant question pertaining to this topic. I have found that those who are very extreme anti gun are very protected from violence in their neighborhoods and outside areas. Most big time anti gun folk live in lily white areas with a very low crime rate compared to the national average. just speaking on personal experience. you want to make it harder for the legal citizen to obtain their guns as well as even limit them to ammo and magazine capacity. all you liberals seem to attack is the law abiding citizen and dont make any kind of harsh laws aimed at those who buy/sell/obtain a gun illegally. what gives? why are you trying to limit the legal citizen first while the criminals will run free unscathed by your laws that only neuter the law abiding? and yes if criminals had a harder time to obtain guns then gun deaths would fall. but until liberals start attacking criminals then they wont give a damn. do you think a criminal cares if you tell law abiding citizens they either cant have a gun or can only have 7 rounds ? hell no they love it when you guys do that. hell what they love more is knowing where law abiding gun owners live. A) no but you want to make it harder for them to obtain first apparently. B)you do realize the amount of times a gun is used in self defense is between 100,000-300,000 times a year correct? and you do realize accidental shootings are much less.............. http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/13/how-many-accidental-gun-injuries-per-year/ A guest on the HuffPost Live discussion noted in the post below mentioned that guns injure 5,000 people per year (presumably in the U.S.). Actually, according to CDCs WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings. As always, keep in mind the limitations of this data, including that some suicides and suicide attempts could be misclassified as accidents. http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/ Unintentional Deaths and Injuries In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.18 From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19 http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate. just sayin.
