Seriously? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases Exactly the type that were outlined in the Bill rejected by Senate Republicans... The lack of any background checks at gun shows and internet sales. Let's agree that I haven't had reason to use lethal force to fend off hoards of armed home invaders... Have you? Can you site a single post when I've even mentioned ammo or magazine capacities? I've suggested that people get trained to use firearms (so there would be fewer accidental shootings)... How tyrannical of me to suggest that a gun owner actually know how to use the firearm! I've suggested that lawful owners have a means of securing their firearms when not in use, to prevent theives from getting weapons... How tyrannical of me to suggest people protect their property! I've suggested that firearms be registered, to make it easy to identify straw purchases - since we're at least as democratic as Switzerland (who have 100% registration). God forbid we actually provide the police with information required to actually enforce the current laws! You're making a lot of sweeping generalizations here... "Anyone who believes in any form of gun control must be a liberal hippy and hate law abiding gun owners"... As for knowing where law abiding gun owners live, would they love that because the then know where to go and get guns, or because they know to avoid those houses? Is it hard to obtain a car? I'm pretty sure I've shared this before... rather than being used for self-defense, guns in the home are 22 times more likely to be involved in accidental shootings, homicides, or suicide attempts. For every one time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
that was legislation to EXPAND background checks to stop the fine art of straw purchases. there are still background checks in damned near every state when purchasing a handgun from arms dealers. well this we can agree upon as far as backgound checks being needed at gun shows because that is where most straw purchases are made. but as far as internet sales, yes you can buy a gun over the net without worry, BUT the gun is then shipped to a gun store near you in which you have to do a background check before they release the weapon to you. from Cali to Florida this is true, you dont get a 45 sent to your front door. twice i have been mugged in this city. never had someone try to break into my home here but i cant say the same for neighbors and as well as 2 friends of mine who lived just a block away who were executed in their bedroom. just 1 street over a husband was forced to watch his wife repeatedly raped by a group of thugs who then killed both of them and strung up their 2 kids. just be glad you dont live in this adventurous area, i think you would change your tune. yes i know you didnt say those things, but thats what liberals are doing at this very moment. they have required coarses in Tennessee should you plan to get a carrying license, as well as a much deeper background check than just for when you buy a gun. Hell i had to do a second background check when i went to the firing range for the first time and every time i go back they will check it again. On this i can agree though, perhaps it should be a requirement to take a home safety class and pass it before being able to take a gun home. but im gonna ask again, what do you propose we do with criminals who truly dont give a damn about law abiding citizen neutering laws? i can agree with that, i got myself a small gun safe. waiting for the funds to buy one of those hand print identification lock boxes for better safety and quicker access. plus it would just be cool to have lol. but again, what about the criminals who dont care about laws that only affect law abiding citizens? dont agree, its not the governments business of how many and what kind of guns i bought. as long as i bought them legally and they are legal firearms and can prove it is all that matters. but again, what kind of restrictions or punishments are we gonna throw at criminals? lol well, when all you are trying to regulate is what law abiding citizens can do, especially in liberal states where they have all out gun bans, mag limitations and other such things.....just calling a spade a spade. depends on what the particular criminal may want. some would like the map to figure out which houses to stay clear of or be aware of, some might use it to actually go after the guns, and some might just like knowing where the guns are so they can be ready for them. either way you want to look at it, its a very bad idea and very dangerous to do such a thing. depends on which car lol. some cars are more unobtainable than others. thats all fine and dandy, but sheer numbers is what is at work here. once again id also like to see the percentage of these guns used in accidental shootings that were legally obtained or owned. becaus if you are gonna say that all accidental shootings take place in the hoime of a law abiding gun owner that would be preposterous. secondly once again those numbers dont add up considering guns used in slef defense greatly outweigh accidental gun injuries or deaths by tens of thousands. 5,000 accidental shooting per year versus 100,000 minimum self defense uses.....do the math. also considering suicides greatly outweigh murder, if they didnt have a gun they would just use something else if they really wanted to die. suicides aresuicides, and if someone wants to die they will truly off themself.
So federal enforcement is why the democrat towns are so bad? Use your inner logician. Who runs the police department and schools etc... This is where you control crime. The Feds don't get involved in the majority of day to day crimes and state troopers do no either.
Is that what I said? No. What I said is that I find your claim that all crime controls are local ridiculous. Flame bait much? Federal and State cuts have a lot to do with the ability of local governments to manage those aspects of law enforcement and education that you hold them accountable for... http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1214
They have a little to do with it, not much. They don't actually patrol neighborhoods. 100% of the worst towns are run by democrats. You don't see a correlation? Cognitive dissonance.
Goody. So criminals have to go to a gun show to get a firearm rather than a licensed dealer. How inconvenient for them... I understand that, but given that most criminals obtain firearms through straw purchases, the fact that the person picking up the gun has no criminal record is meaningless when he turns around and sells it to someone that does... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html And how many of those criminals had guns? The whole point is to limit the number of criminals who have guns so that these types of things don't occur. So it's irrelevant to my post since I never claimed to support those measures. We seem to agree that individuals who have training would be less risk of accidental shootings, which would lower the harm to the public... Any reason why this shouldn't be a requirement on a national level as it already is in Tennessee? If the average lawful owner is a better shot than the criminal (because they've actually been trained), the survival rate of lawful owners goes up and the survival rate of criminals goes down. If the average lawful owner has the ability to secure his weapons when they're not in use, the ability of criminals to steal those weapons is reduced. If the registration was put in place, it would become easy to identify anyone making regular straw purchases to supply criminals - which would reduce the ability of criminals to obtain firearms. If the gun supply for criminals was limited to what they could import or make themselves, there would be fewer armed criminals than we have today. How can you claim this would have no impact on criminals?
New Gun Owner Accidentally Shoots Elderly Neighbor http://lagunaniguel-danapoint.patch...un-owner-accidentally-shoots-elderly-neighbor Here is yet another example of why Govt regulations of weapons must always exist. Could you image if she had just bought a nuke?
Reacting to crime that has occurred is only half the equation... Preventing crime from occurring is the other half. The ability to do both is limited when resources are cut. Democrats whose budgets and resources are determined by Republicans... You don't see that correlation?
well that is one thing i do agree needs to be done because its a prime spot for them. you wont see me argue that kind of legislation. and that should be considered an illegal sale. it should be to where you MUST have a background check done no matter whether you do a private sale or not. all 4 people that died were shot to death. as far as the break ins in the neighborhood i dont know whether the criminals had guns or not except for 2 other instances. and yah that would be nice to have deterrents for criminals, how bout we start making some? its not irrelevant, im simply showing what the anti gun nuts are doing and how freaking retarded it truly is. When they start making tough laws against those who own/sell/buy/obtain a gun illegally then ill start taking the anti gun crowd seriously. im pretty sure most states have a requirement for gun courses to carry. but no, i dont see any reason for it not to be a stipulation that one take a home safety course before being able to bring their weapon home. lol yeah it would help but this is what im talking about when it comes to anti gun nuts. all you guys want to do is place the blame on law abiding gun owners and act like the criminals are children. wanna blame it on us that they have guns and not one ounce of legislation or harsh punishments ever even mentioned against those who obtain or sell a gun illegally . why is it always put on the shoulders of law abiding gun owners? why is it that you guys ONLY mention us when you come up with your rules? all im asking is for some of the same animosity towards the criminals that,ONCE AGAIN, dont give a damn about what you think law abiding citizens must comply with or what other legislation you want to throw at us. They sure as hell dont give a crap about your "gun free zones" or cities, so when you gonna learn that legislation that ONLY attacks law abiding citizens doesnt work? yeah thats fine and dandy, but what about the criminals ALREADY with the guns? what you gonna do about them? well i dont do that and wil never sell any of my guns without doing a background check on someone. the government doesnt need to know what guns i own, hell they already know the amount of guns i do own simply because of the background checks i have been through to buy them. and besides, even if we did have to register our weapons they can easily be made untraceable after a straw sale. criminals already file the serial numbers off of guns making them virtually untraceable. no serial number makes it pretty much impossible to match the weapon to any one owner except the person that has it. i do think background checks should be mandatory for any sale, but just like anything its not full proof. the only way you could truly do an all out registration would be DNA matching weapons lol, which is some serious syfy stuff and i very much doubt the people of this country would let that happen in our lifetimes. no you really havent, all you have said was how much harder you were gonna make it for law abiding citizens and that criminals having guns is all our fault. what i would like to know is how are you gonna punish criminals who sell or buy guns illegally??? i want to know what you think about the legislations ive mentioned regarding those mag limitations and gun free zones. kind of hard to hide a ferrari lol. make it a crime to sell to a person who is not legally qualified to own a firearm and make the punishment a harsh one if you were caught doing it. legislation needs to be a general public thing, not just aimed at law abiding gun owners. make it a minimum 25 year prison sentence for selling or buying a weapon illegally. and make sure that "illegally" covers those with a criminal background. for instance here in Tennessee it is illegal for someone who has a domestic violence charge against them to buy or own a firearm. you could cut back those stats 90% and they would still outnumber accidental shootings. no matter how you slice it accidental shootings are barely a blip on the radar.. hell there are more accidental drowning deaths than accidental shooting deaths per year. so what you want people to start registering their swimming pools and make swimming pool owners go through extra safety measures and pay more to own their pool? get this, there are around 300million guns owned in the country, and only 10 million pools nation wide. do the math of this faux outrage. dont get me wrong, i believe some legislation is in order for the protection of all law abiding gun owners, but the thing is id like to see that legislation pointed at the criminal element instead of making laws criminals truly arent gonna give a damn about. its literally wasting tax dollars when you come down harsh on law abiding citizens ONLY. 50% of suicedes are done with a gun and out of all gun deaths suicides are 62% of them as well. second for suicides is hanging or some form of suffocation which is around 25% of suicides. take away guns all you want and watch other forms of suicides climb dramatically, then what are you gonna do try to get people to register their rope or have a mental health check before buying kitchen knives or a garden hose? suicide is a tragedy no matter how it is done and frankly there are many more suicides than murders every year in this country than murders carried out with a gun. hell the murder ratings are not true anyways because they consider all shooting deaths by guns as murder, no matter the circumstance is self defense or not. Poisoning is more of a danger to me and you than being killed by a firearm, and so is driving. what im saying is yes, new gun legislation needs to be implemented to help drop those rates of murders and hopefully they help with suicides all around, but at the same time its still barely a blip on the radar when you talk about our population and other factors that endanger our daily lives. what we need is a few tweaks for law abiding gun owners and very harsh penalties for those who dont want to follow the law. what say you?
Ok, so - if I understand you correctly: 1) you agree that background checks should be performed for any gun sale (including gun shows and private sales). 2) you agree that people should have safe storage for their firearm(s) 3) you agree that people should have training for firearms... The only point we're quibbling about is "registration" because I believe it would stop straw purchases from happening, and the old method of "filing off the serial number" is useless when it comes to periodic ballistic registration. Do you understand that the three points above that you've agreed with would constitute a "gun control" policy, and that agreeing with that policy doesn't automatically make you a liberal who wants to ban all guns and hates law-abiding gun owners?
