Hillary Clinton does not get a pass from me

I'm a veteran who used to have a Top Secret (SCI) security clearance.

If I had ever taken any classified information out of the controlled areas
I would have been prosecuted, jailed, busted to Airman Basic E-1 and
given a dishonorable discharge which would have effected me the rest
of my life.

Hillary has been given a pass. She should never be given a pass for
jeopardizing our national security. Never.

 

I am curious. Can you identify the law she is said to have violated? Specifically quote the Code, Chapter, paragraph. Because I hear this a lot but I have never seen any specific allegations. The FBI investigated and found charges were not warranted, so please enlighten me - where did they go wrong?

 

God cant vote he hasnt registered anywhere.

 

I don't think she need a "pass" from you.

The FBI investigated...and said that no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.

This may surprise you, but the FBI's opinion carries more weight than yours.

 

They are in on it, I tell ya! Hillary Clinton is all powerful!

 

This is where Google is your friend, yes? You can find numerous articles listing the laws and rules which Secretary Clinton circumvented by using her private server. The one I like is in the Independent Journal Review, and lists the following three laws (snipped and shortened):

The whole article is worth a read...

 

I have read that article. It was written when the email issue first arose, and before the FBI determined that she had not broken any laws.

In relation to the first point, "Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send of store classified information on personal email." this is incorrect. Neither EO 13526 nor 793(f) refer to email, either personal or otherwise. EO 13526 is very long and I have not gone through it in detail, but if you can tell me which provision of it she is alleged to be in breach of, and the range of penalties available for that breach, I should be grateful.

In order to be in breach of 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code Clinton would have had to be "grossly negligent". I understand she worked to make her personal server secure and hired people to ensure that was the case. In this she was diligent, not negligent let alone grossly negligent.

As to point 2, all of her work related emails have been recorded or copied to state department systems, so there is no breach of that. There may have been a delay in making the copies, but as I understand it all of her work related emails are available.

For point 3, if her work related emails are available, there is no violation of FOIA.

So if you want to assert that she should be prosecuted, I would be grateful for an analysis of the specific breach you say she committed. Quote the section of code and apply the facts to show her breach.

It is not enough to say "she used a private server so should go to jail"! As I understand it, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice did the same thing.

 

That comment was well inline with your
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Ridiculous.

 

Sure:

1. Mishandling Classified Information Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code
3. Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
5. Violation of the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) Veterans for a Strong America has filed a lawsuit against the State Department over potential violations of FOIA.
7. Unauthorized Removal And Retention Of Classified Documents Or Material 18 U.S.C. § 1924
9. Gathering, Transmitting Or Losing Defense Information 18 U.S.C. § 793
11. Concealment, Removal, Or Mutilation Generally 18 U.S.C. § 2071
13. Destruction, Alteration, Or Falsification Of Records In Federal Investigations And Bankruptcy 18 U.S.C. § 1519
15. 18 U.S.C. § 201 Bribery
17. 18 U.S.C. § 208 Act Affecting a Personal Financial Interest
19. 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiracy
21. 18 U.S.C. § 1001 False Statements
23. 18 U.S.C. § 1341 Fraud and Swindle
25. 18 U.S.C. § 1343 Fraud by Wire
27. 18 U.S.C. § 1349 Attempt and Conspiracy
29. 18 U.S.C. § 1505 Obstruction of Justice
31. 18 U.S.C. § 1519 Destruction of Federal Records
33. 18 U.S.C. § 1621 Perjury
35. 18 U.S.C. § 1905 Disclosure of Confidential Information
37. 18 U.S.C. § 1924 Unauthorized Removal and Retention of Classified Documents or Materials
39. 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment (Removal or Mutilation) of Government Records
41. 18 U.S.C. § 7201 Attempts to Evade or Defeat a Tax
43. 18 U.S.C. § 7212 Attempts to Interfere Whith Administration of Internal Revenue Laws

 

The career "reasonable prosecutor"s are Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who
said she would abide by the FBI's findings which were that the career "reasonable
prosecutor"s like Attorney General Loretta Lynch recommended that they not prosecute.

Now, do you see what a circular cluster (*)(*)(*)(*) that reasoning is and why the meeting
between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton only days before all this played out is so corrupt?

 

I used to work for the CIA in a position so classified that no record of it even exists.

My missions were so Top Secret that the government has sworn to disavow that the missions ever existed.

I had the most Top Secret (SCI) security clearance ever devised, and I am willing to give Hillary a pass.

 

Powell did the same thing, did they have email during your day, how about phones, did you record all your phones calls and turn them over for review? no? why?

if you want to argue new laws are needed, I agree, but no laws were broken....

I would like to see new laws require all gov employees use saved voip and saved email from gov systems only and all those avail to the public upon request unless declared Confidential at the time (within 30 days), no post declaring it years later

also if this is a security issue as you say, WHY has congress done nothing to prevent it in future, they should of wrote a bill by now to monitor the gov email servers for ALL emails sent or received from a personal email address, this would be easy to do, is the Republicans controlled Congress so careless with security?

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   Sorry, but where you have quoted the actual text of the offences, it seems to me that the facts just don't result in a conviction. There are elements of intent of certain things and requirements to prove gross negligence that just could not be met.
   
   I would like one - just one - reasoned analysis of an alleged offence, together with the facts that would prove that the offence had been committed. I have not seen that.

 

The last line makes the first 3 statements completely unbelievable. Sorry, I keep
in contact with a lot of my former airmen in my units and none would give her a
pass based on the security violations alone. If you do, it goes to show that you
have no respect or understanding of the necessity of national security or the
measures needed to protect classified information. This makes your story about
working for the CIA all the more fantastic and unlikely.

I actually don't believe you. You also have said that you were a judge didn't you?

So, lying about you experience is stupid, you just get called on it.

But what every the truth about you personally, there are many people like you
who would more than likely vote for Hillary Clinton if irrefutable proof came out
that Hillary Clinton herself pulled the trigger and murdered Vince Foster.

 

I think that is the point, the op made claims that no one can prove or disprove about himself... were all anonymous here

 

And yet your ilk cheered for the Bush adminstration, when the entire Bush White House staff was doing exactly the same thing.

The same Adminstration deliberately leaked the identity of an undercover CIA agent for no other reason than a political smear.


Nice double standard......but typical for right wingers.

 

Because you don't understand the law, then Hillary must be innocent and it's
alright for you and others to give her a pass and vote for her?

Look, let me bring it down to reality. If I was ever caught with classified information
outside a controlled area, intentionally or accidentally, through gross negligence or
or carelessness, I would be prosecuted to the fullest. I would spend time in jail, be
demoted to the lowest rank, be given a dishonorable discharge.

That would be true if I had just one piece of paper outside of a controlled area.

Hillary had thousands of emails, hundreds containing classified information flowing
through unsecured internet routers and channels, through unsecured fiber optic
networks that could virtually be hacked by anyone in the world. She kept it all on
an unsecured server in her home, which is also subject to hacking. She didn't do
it accidentally, she didn't do it through gross negligence. She did it intentionally.

Why people keep trying to say that they cannot establish "intent" and use that as
an excuse to forgive her transgressions of the laws is ridiculous. If anything, what
she did was absolutely INTENTIONAL, it was done for the purpose of secrecy,
hoping to keep her illegal activities from view via the FOIA.

But even that standard need not be met. It matters not if you can establish "intent".
This could otherwise be said that it was gross negligence, which Comey has alluded
to. That is the standard, what she did was gross negligence, and should have been
prosecuted for this no matter what.

 

Very revealing and obvious! Listen to the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2Ed50MNBM

Hillary definitely gets favored!
The people who control the media want Hillary to win the presidential race.
It is such a farce, the whole voting process, but at least it is entertaining for the masses.
I wonder, if there are any voters who feel insulted and turned off by this charade?

 

That is a lie to say Powell did the same thing.

Did he use personal emails, yes. Did he use it for classified information, no. Did he use it
for government business, yes. But not for sharing classified or sensitive information.

Why has congress done nothing to prevent it in the future? What she did was already against
the law. Do we need to make laws that say if you break the laws you need to enforce the laws?

What more can they do than to make it illegal? It is already illegal!!!

 

You don't understand. God will resurrect the dead to stuff ballot boxes in Hillary's favor

 

Are you sure he hasn't registered? Evidently the recently deceased are re-registering.

 

Yeah...but like I said, I don't think she need a "pass" from you. The FBI investigated...and said that no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges...and although this may surprise you, the FBI's opinion carries more weight than yours.

 

Good point, yeah those dead really get motivated after being dead.

 

sounds like you do not know all the facts

"Classified Data Found in Personal Email of Colin Powell and Aides to Condoleezza Rice"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/u...kerry-condeleezza-rice-colin-powell.html?_r=0

"WASHINGTON — The State Department has discovered a dozen emails containing classified information that were sent to the personal email accounts of Colin L. Powell and close aides of Condoleezza Rice during their tenures as secretaries of state for President George W. Bush."

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I have heard some Republicans candidates claim God has picked them though


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