Hitler's good example

Hitler took over a country that was starving and in severe depression, with 6 million unemployed and in just 4 years turned it into the economic envy of the world. The life of Germans continued to improve under Hitler until he ran off the rails in the early 1940's.

http://www.ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html

 

I find any positive reference to Hitler totally repugnant...

 

Were Hitler's reforms sustainable? I imagine some types of growth need expansion to keep momentum... perhaps a basis for imperialism.

 

Read the link. It's long but a big eye opener. Even Jewish commentators grudgingly admit Hitler's rebuilding of Germany was a great feat.

 

It would be interesting to see what responses you would get if it was in the appropriate forum section!

 

A very biased and tainted source - Other more balanced exploration of this question do not arrive at such a rosey outcome

 

Leaving aside who you are referring to and what happened afterwards, there are a few factors you seem to have missed.

Factor 1: It was over 70 years ago, the world was a totally different place. Wages, workers conditions, technology etc.
**** Added in edit. It was easy to make a cheap car for the masses when the masses never had a cheap car, so the VW part of his success can never be repeated. ****
Factor 2: It was in a different country, comparing Germany then, to Australia, the US or even Germany today, you would find it a little different.
Factor 3: As was noted earlier by another poster, would it have been sustainable, what would have been the outcome if he hadn't flipped his lid.

Looking at factor 1, a long time ago makes a big difference. Take science, once to make a discovery you just had to observe something and come up with a simple theory, do a few simple experiments and come up with a revolutionary theory. Just observe an apple falling, just tie a key to a kite string. Modern scientists make new discoveries every day, but life isn't so simple these days. The research is much more refined, much more microscopic, more detailed as the broader discoveries have been made for the most part.

Looking back is good for experience, to learn from our successes and mistakes. BUT we cannot go back.

Magoo posted a thread about the way girls and women dress today. A few days later while visiting my dad I joined him at his senior citizens dinner. I spoke about Magoo's thread to a few women in their 80's, they agreed until I asked a simple question. When they were 20 would they have one out in public dressed as they were today? A resounding NO was the reply after they had thought about it. Our skirts would be too short, they had no hat, nor gloves. I asked them what they would have thought of elderly women dressing like they were, but back when they were young. We would have been called harlots they said.

TIMES change, for the good and bad. It is our job, to try and ensure it changes for the good more than the bad.

 

You're not one of BB's alter ego's are you Wiz? Because that's what she does when she disagrees with or dosen't like a message, her first response is to shoot the messanger...

 

You will never get anywhere with an attitude like that DV, saying it can't be done, it is all too hard and giving up before you even start. Why don't we look at what Hitler did to acheive such a fantastic turn around in the fortunes of Germans and see if we can apply some of those things in Australia today and hopefully acheive some of the same successes Germany enjoyed.

 

I call em as I see em. Some homework for you. How many businesses went into bankruptcy because the Nazis decided they should donate their time and equipment for the betterment of the Reich during the building of the Autobahns?

 

Hitler took a country that had hunger and in a severe depression and in 20 years managed to lead the country to absolute ruin- with widespread starvation, its cities in ruins, and the entire infrastructure destroyed.

Saying it improved up until the point it didn't is like saying the building was going up just fine until it collapsed.

 

I think to give Hitler this kind of credit, is wrong. That has nothing to do the way things changed later on, but with the pure fact, that it was too easy for him.
Germany was in tatters.
The allies did a huge mistake, in still demanding Germany to repay for the WW1 at a time, where most Germans had nothing to eat, no jobs, no visions.
Then Hitler came, made lots of promises to a bleeding nation. He gave them hope, they listened and fall for him.

However for a short time frame, some still might see him as the enlightened one. And not only the VW beetle. I think Hitler had his big plan already in his wicked brain, so even the VW bug was part of that.

But compared to guys like J.Howard/Abbotts, he at least gave the Germans work, work, work, not by exporting iron ore and selling off their assets or by creating an unleveled playing field (free trade everywhere). He built up an unrivaled industry, which was far stronger then anyone could have hoped for. Unfortunately, all for the wrong reasons.
So at the end, one could think or come to the conclusion, that even our LIBs could learn some things from him, but leaving the nasty bits away. Well, I doubt it, because for that you need visions, and both LIB leaders mentioned were/are free of visions.

Cheerio

 

Yes he did!


He murdered six million people.

End of unemployment!

 

Excuse me, it is YOU who will get nowhere with an ATTITUDE like you have. You just refuse to see the forest for the trees. He did some things that you continually (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about. Welfare for example. Never did I say to give up, just the opposite, we are heading into "a brave new world", a world with less pollution. A world where we will measure success by our humanity, not by our balance sheet. A world where there are no factories, no manufacturing as we know it, very few cars and a public transport system that will be our main transport system. Leisure will be our biggest industry. A new world, a new political and social structure. I may not see it, but my grandchildren will. Grow up AM, it's not me against you, it's right against wrong, forward against backward, progression (progressive) against conservatism (conservative). Change will win, it always does, so embrace it, don't fight it, you will loose.

 

Yeah, and I would really like to see two things, the names of those "Jews" who "grudgingly" agree Hitler was so hot ...and...

even a passing mention of the facts: he did it by creating a war time economy, illegally, starving the elderly "eating machines", and murdering 6 million people and enslaving another 2 to 3 million Poles and Ukrainians.

Oh wait, that's "propaganda"...which was a Nazi invention.

 

I have to agree with AM here, what a terrible attitude you have saying it cannot be done

Why cannot anybody build a cheaper car??? Many companies are attempting this right now simply saying it cannot be done is trying to say that people, companies and governments cannot evolve and progress..

Different, yes difficult, yes but not impossible. Simply saying it was a different country is nothing but attempt to blind everybody to the facts of what occurred

Now that is debatable. At what point do you consider he flipped his lid??? That is the real point as his policy toward the end was directed toward expansionism from much earlier than many consider. BUT to say it is not sustainable due to this is notably ignoring the realities of governance around the world most of which is expansionist including the monarchy Australia is part of...

So you consider humans are at the end of their evolution and progress??? What people did not know then is same as what people don't know now, simply saying it was so long ago and that simple concepts you take for granted today were so much easy to discover is considerably naive.

BUT ignoring the past due to what you consider repulsive is also a mistake. By trying to down play such history due to what you feel... well that is something that should be avoided.

Times change history moves on, but while we ignore whatever we do not like the world is destine to repeat the same mistakes. OUR job is to learn from the worlds mistakes and put that into practice, not rewrite the history because we do not like WHO and WHAT they did...

 

Oh dear me Garry, you do let your prejudices get in the road of the truth don't you.

Let's look at each of your childish comments, which show more your hatred of what I say than what is actually said. A bit ignorant don't you think.

1: Yes we can build a cheaper car, actually each year our cars do get cheaper, but Garry, WE aren't making them although we could, if you and AM get your way, we too will be a third world country, we too will have lower wages, we too will be hungry, we will work in sweat shops and produce a cheaper car. But why, why the hell should we, we already can buy a new car for 12-15K. Another thing is just that, we have cheap massed produced cars, they didn't then, well not like we do now. It would be like a scientist looking at a pear falling, eureka I have discovered gravity, what do you mean it's been done, that was an apple. Seriously Garry, do you believe it yourself.

2: Saying it is a different country ISN'T blinding people of the facts, making out it is the same IS.

3: Everything is debatable, so why don't you debate? You just look at who posts, if it is myself, TV, Cats etc you do an Abbott, you disagree because, just because, no reason, no facts, no debate. What does it matter when he flipped, as someone said earlier, he took a hungry poor country and destroyed it. Very successful. NOT. I didn't say it was or was not sustainable, I merely pointed to someone else who asked, Was it. To point to the situation today again is stupid and the crux of my post.
4: No I believe we are just at the beginning of our evolution, what makes you imagine I said differently. I believe we are at the start of the most exciting millennium of all time. To say we knew as much in the 40s as we know now is just stupid, technology and science have come a million miles since than. Your ignorance of the real world is starting to sour your posts.
5: Down play what, no one here is playing, well maybe you are, but it is with yourself. I was elated when the Jews allowed Hitlers medical research to be used. Two reasons, people had already suffered to find the results, many many died, at least this way there deaths were not in vain.

The more you use this forum for personal attacks on me,not what I said, the sillier you will appear to the true, thinking person on here.

Other than that, you do give us all a good laugh, I know I get a laugh at your pathetic attempts to refute me. LMAO

 

I think the real question needs to be asked. In a world of 7 billion human beings and growing. How do we find employment for all these people to feed and house themselves in a world controlled by business that wants to replace human labor with faster machines? Have we not already reached the world wide tipping edge, whereby product (human labor) has completely swamped demand (jobs).

 

Yep,this IS Hitler's GOOD EXAMPLE. Good work AM

 

Perhaps illustrating an interesting point: Morality requires something more than just "if it works, do it".

 

Good question CD, sometimes you can come up with a relevant post. We change, manufacturing is going as a source of jobs, robotics, 3D printing etc all will replace labour intensive industry, we need to look at other ways. We have more time, better health, we live longer. All our intelligence is making life easier, we need to restructure, forget capitalism and look at humanitarianism. Use our intelligence to lift third world countries, look at hospitality,tourism and entertainment as our new fture.

 

The misery of our people is horrible to behold! Along with the hungry unemployed millions of industrial workers there is the impoverishment of the whole middle class and the artisans. If this collapse finally also finishes off the German farmers we will face a catastrophe of incalculable dimension. For that would be not just the collapse of a nation, but of a two-thousand-year-old inheritance of some of the greatest achievements of human culture and civilization.
The new government will achieve the great task of reorganizing our nation’s economy by means of two great four-year plans. The German farmer must be rescued to maintain the nation’s food supply and, in consequence, the nation’s vital foundation. The German worker will be saved from ruin with a concerted and all-embracing attack against unemployment.
Within four years unemployment must be decisively overcome … The Marxist parties and their allies have had 14 years to show what they can do. The result is a heap of ruins. Now, people of Germany, give us four years and then pass judgment upon us!

Extract from Adolf Hitler's inaugural address.

And in four years he was good to his word, Germany had full employment. Why can't we take a lesson from that?

 

and in 8 years, 10 years ... is that what you want? 4 great years of growth and development then the darkest storm to ever hit the world reduced most of Germany to rubble. Good job Adolf, AM is a fan

 

Trying to defend you racial slant of another poster I see...

Sorry, do you suggest that cars were not mass produced in back then??? Do you seriously believe cars are at the cheapest??? Thought you were the educated one. Of course it is not like it is today but that does not detract from the fact. As to your gravity analogy, No it is like somebody watching the peach fall and saying we have gravity but there is an anomaly which we explain by showing everything has a gravitation force... the stupidity is believing that once YOU believe something that it is the entire situation.

Yes and no, By saying it cannot be differentiated because it is a different country IS blinding people to the facts. Nobody but YOU has proclaimed people are saying it is the same... Fact is YOU are doing both

Again no prizes for second. Unlike you I have already shown that YOU people run about like this and yet it is still not understood by the very people who NOW try to proclaim this. Fact is you along these others can be shown to cut your own nose off to spite your face...

Again you demonstrated you support for such by making it a point. Stop pretending NOW it was somebody else’s point.

My ignorance??? You say you’re so educated and yet you want to say I said we only know what we discovered in the 40's. As this is NOT what was said, I can only assume it is your blind ignorance of something somebody else you despise has said. Fact is I said, "simply saying it was so long ago and that simple concepts you take for granted today were so much easy to discover is considerably naive".... Talk about ignorance.

Oh we are such a witty person aren't we??? You are trying to down play history through comments of "it is so long ago" AND " it was so easy then" BUT I suppose that can only come from the predication of the racist view.

The funny thing is, this post is NOTHING but person attack. IS it debate??? NO, is it reasonable discussion??? NO, as NOTHING I said was of personal attack until YOU posted this diatribe, I believe this point has demonstration of something you do not want...

So your failure is something you like to laugh at... I do expect the world gets a great laugh out of your failure, including your claims of higher education which constantly gets shown to be what it is...

 

And you pretend you want real debate without insult... What a load of crap.