Hitler's good example

Isn't it amazing how Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, the Cheka, and all the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union are hardly ever mentioned in the West? What about Mao or Polpot? Hitler is held up as the ultimate villain on the 20th century and is talked about constantly, while the others are barely ever mentioned. The reason, of course, is that every one of them besides Hitler was a communist dictator, and communism is the ideology most closely aligned with today's progressive movement. The progressive media perpetuates the narrative that Hitler was the quintessential evil, while largely ignoring the others who killed far more people. They are protecting their ideology and its history. That is why you will always find progressives more willing to discuss the Nazis than they are the Soviets.

 

What exactly is there to discuss. I have rarely heard anyone deny what Stalin did, no one who has denied what Pol Pot or Mao did. There is an active group of people out there who actively argue to mitigate what Hitler did or out right deny any wrong doing at all.

Access to knowledge is also a factor. Many nations in the western world directly fought against Hitler. Well researched books on Stalin are far and few between, and generally need to rely on second hand sources to fill the gaps created by Soviet censorship. If there is a good book in English about Mao, I am yet to find it, and the story of Pol Pot is so confusing I can honestly say I am still not exactly sure how and why events unfolded the way they did in any detail.

 

What I don't get is why ANYONE would attempt to use any comparisons to paint Hitler in a good light?

Hitler was the catalyst that drove an entire planet to war as well as defined the actions and paranoia of the Soviet Union for over 50 years.

Hitlers actions embolden the actions of others to also go to war.

AboveAlpha

 

Are entirely irrelevant because Great Britain and France (and let's be honest, America too) had ALREADY started World War II.

Please explain to me why the ever so righteous white hatted Allies invaded Iceland since you stand on such moral high ground.

Why did they invade Iran to secure their oil fields in what the Iranians considered a complete surprise attack that had no provocation?

Throw some more stones from your glass house.

After the French and British set their course, it was obviously going to turn into a European conflict for supremacy over the continent. Germany invaded the nations in the West that hadn't declared war because if he didn't the Allies would have and marched right through Germany. Are we really supposed to play stupid here? Do you want to have a discussion here or do you want to campaign with propaganda? The British and French decision to DECLARE WAR on Germany STARTED World War II. After that the Germans had to do what they had to do.

Take responsibility instead of being a water carrier for corrupt world oligarchs that spit on your existence.

The German occupation of those nations was for strategic purposes against the aggressor Western allies and it was a benevolent occupation. Considering as the war went on, men from all of these nations were flocking to join the new European Waffen SS, it seems pretty ridiculous for you to bring it up, especially considering your own history of invasion.

You do realize that the Soviet Union was as far West as Poland before Operation Barbarossa began? That they had attacked Finland, committed genocide in the Ukraine and planned to conquer all of Europe? You do understand, of course, that they were psychotic, sadistic savages that intended to bring about worldwide revolution? In some cases the people didn't even wait for Germany's arrival, and upon hearing they were on their way with the launch of Barbarossa, took immediate vengeance on their Bolshevik tormentors.

If only you had the sympathy you pretend you do.

Austria also "invaded" Germany. It was a simultaneous annexation. Maybe you missed Hitler's heroes welcome.

What DID Hitler do that is so inexcusable? At a time when the British had absolutely no way of carrying on with the war, he had offered them generous peace terms about TWO DOZEN times. Had it been anyone sensible, instead of the corrupt and drunken zealot, Winston Churchill, they would have taken it and kept their Empire. Instead they lost their Empire and ruined Western civilization with the victory of Communism over Europe and the most of the world. Is that your great victory?

In fact, what exactly WAS your great victory? Western civilization today is a complete disaster. Europe will soon be taken over by Muslims, America will soon be a Latin-America cesspool.
The family has been destroyed. Our social order has been destroyed. We've been spiritually bankrupt with shallow materialism. Ever stop and take a second to think about what it was your beloved Allies did? We're LIVING in their victory and it's a complete disaster through and through. Compare this with the ideals that rallied men from all over the West and beyond to fight to the end for Hitler's Germany. Spewing propaganda and History Channel talking points isn't going to change where we are or where we're now headed. The Allied powers completely wrecked the human race.

What else did he do? Tried to physically annihilate the most evil regime in human history?

So Himmler took some liberties with the Jews he was no given permission to take, and some Waffen SS generals shot some gypsies on the Eastern front after Hitler gave specific orders they were NOT to be liquidated. It was war. It was TOTAL war. Things happened, but to find some moral equivalency with the evil they were trying to save the world from is a criminal lie.

I hope your kids enjoy their dark age.

 

Are you kidding me!!???

So...Germany invading Poland, Austria, Czech..etc...that had nothing to do with starting WWII?

COME ON!!!

AboveAlpha

 

How can a German (I presume you're German because of the flag in your posts)
say anything positive about Hitler...do other Germans share your views??
When are you going to get your hand off it??

 

There was no war with Austria or Czechoslovakia. Try reading a book.
Germany settling a dispute with Poland is not a World War. Great Britain and France (and FDR scheming behind them) is a World War and they initiated it.

 

Why did you completely duck the question I asked of you - I will repeat, aside from the Soviet Union, what other nations of the 11 invaded had communist leadership?
If only you had the sympathy you pretend you do.

Why did you avoid the question I asked. Why did Germany invade Austria the day before the referendum?

 

I'm an American.

You know, the country with a President who may or may not be from Kenya, that has gender reassignment camps for children, where homosexuals march naked through city streets in front of families, in a society that enforces hate crime laws on its own majority while they are preyed on by minority savages who will soon take over the country from a deliberate demographic shift by our esteemed leaders?

I spit on your flag.

 

All of those nations in the East welcomed Germany as liberators from Soviet oppression. Even the hopelessly biased Wikipedia will tell you that.
I already explained why they occupied nations in the West. Now how about you start answering some of my questions? Iceland? Iran? Siding with the Soviet Union?
How is the view from your glass house?

What's your point? The people of Austria and Germany celebrated unification.

[video=youtube;ewvp5fbwjes]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvp5fbwjes[/video]

Some "horrible" invasion. Ask yourself: If all your points are based on lies and absurdities, do you really have any?
Want to destroy Western civilization because Hitler reunited Austrians and Germans?

 

The problem with this conversation is always the same. There are two Hitlers.

The real Hitler.

And the one history invented after the war.

 

How many people were starved, murdered and raped in total under Communist slavery in the 20th century? 150 million? 175 million? Do we even understand that number of is it simply so staggering a figure that we cannot even fully comprehend it?

How many unborn children has America killed? 50 million?

Where is our civilization headed under the leadership of the New Order established in 1945?

Keep thinking the villains lost WWII. We'll see what good it does you in the 21st century when the light of Western civilization goes dark.

 

Yeah...and I think the one history invented does not even come CLOSE to the vicious SOB Hitler REALLY was.

AboveAlpha

 

Absolutely.

The real one was a meglomaniac who was responsible for the deaths of millions.

And then there is the one you are talking about.

 

No matter how much you correctly paint Stalin's empire as being murderous- it doesn't change the fact that Hitler's Germany engineered mass murder also. Soviet crimes don't undue German crimes.

 

Did the Soviets outfit their camps with movie theaters and hold sporting events for the inmates? Did they pay their inmates for their work?
No, they didn't do any of these things. Soviet gulags were the death factories you pretend Germany's were. They were awful, miserable, inhumane places BY DESIGN.
Compare them to this.

[video=youtube;8XSj9XgXA5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XSj9XgXA5Q[/video]

You said it yourself in another thread that the German people were starving in 1945. The allied bombing campaigns against German infrastructure and pharmaceutical plants made life basically impossible at the end of the war. The allies essentially tried to completely annihilate and exterminate the country. THAT is when the German camps turned bad. That is when there were severe typhus outbreaks that killed hundreds of thousands of Jews. All those famous "Holocaust" photos you've seen are not of extermination victims. The German civilians were suffering horribly by the end of the war. There's plenty of stories of them having to do things like eat the meat of dead horses on the side of the road to survive. The camps shared in this suffering. The allies dropping bombs on some of them certainly didn't help. Do you really believe the Germans could be starving late in the war but the camps could be excluded from the realities of Germany's situation?

Use your head.

There is no moral equivalency.

The Allied powers were clearly the villains and we can see now in the wake of their glorious victory that we didn't get anything from it but the deathbed of Western civilization.

America had concentration camps too. If the Japanese invaded and started reducing American cities to piles of smoldering ash, the circumstances inside of them would have drastically deteriorated as well.

It is unfair and it is unjust the criminal lie you have saddled one of the West's greatest peoples with in your attempt to justify turning the world into a Communist torture factory.

 

WOW!!!!

You certainly have a revisionist view of Nazi Germany and WWII.

Hate to bring it up but it was the UNITED STATES....that warned the WWI Victorious European Nations that they were imposing too great an amount of War Reparations upon Germans and because of massive inflation and unemployment and even starvation in the streets of Germany the U.S. felt it possible that might result in a new German Nationalism.

We were right and thus Hitler and the Nazi's.

But NO ONE...can justify the existence of Hitler.

AboveAlpha

 

Who was it that bombed England during WWII....oh yeah...I think that was Germany...

 

Nice post. Keep it up.

 

Feel free to show me how these nations were being oppressed by the Soviet Union

Why did the Germans illegally enter Austria instead of waiting 24 hours and getting a completely legal unification of the country

Did the allies declare war on Germany after the invasion of Austria?

 

Genocide, starvation through intentionally orchestrated famines, killing intellectuals and the educated, killing the "good looking" allegedly because the good looking are more prone to intellectualism, burning down Christian churches and Mosques, destroying priceless works of religious art, attempting to physically annihilate religion.
How's that work for you? Now are you going to address your own hypocrisies or are you going to just continue to wiggle around and dodge into new lines of questioning?

You ask me this right before asking the obvious, which I already told you, which is this:

So does your little house of lies really rely on this much phony posturing?
Austria marched into Germany as well. Was that also "illegal?" Can you be anymore petty and absurd?

Perhaps you can next invent a story about Hitler kicking a puppy and find some moral equivalent between that and Communism's 150~175 million victims. The fact that you need to do this much dodging and posturing in your hypocrisy says plenty about your position. You should get a job working for MSNBC. I'm sure you would like them. They're the kind of people who wrote the ridiculous narrative you're vomiting all over this thread.

 

Yes yes - very good. Now show me the nations outside the Soviet Union that was occurring. Why do you continue to avoid this question?

 

All of them? Do you need a map of "the Soviet Union" prior to the launch of Operation Barbarossa? Or are you claiming that genocide and liquidations in the name of advancing Communist ideology was alright once a nation had been invaded and put into Stalin's death grip? Are these the rules you preach from your moral soap box while blabbering on about the peaceful unification of Austria with the greater German Reich? Once Estonia or Latvia was put under the dominion of Moscow, slaughtering them and deporting them to Siberian gulags to advance Communist ideology was acceptable because they were "part of the Soviet Union?"

Here. I hope this helps you out.


Going to get around to Iceland and Iran at some point or are you going to steer the conversation elsewhere again with a new line of irrelevant questions you'll demand be answered?

 

I was thinking that myself then noticed our good OP was Australian. Damn, there ARE some people more their-country-centric than we Americans

Except maybe the Soviet Union. Should we all go sit at the feet of Uncle Joe?

The article says Nazi Germany succeeded better than the US

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and then goes on to say:

So what makes you think they'll work in Australia? I thought you down under types took pride in actually being the only people on Earth ornerier than we Muricans

And the article then concludes:

Which I have read before and in which I must reluctantly concur. Pity he didn't. A better example of someone who would have been better off dead is hard to find. And keep in mind that Hitler didn't make the German's prosperous, the Germans made the Germans prosperous. Just as the American character made Roosevelt fail.

Perhaps there ARE some things more important than prosperity. Though by no means do I think we MUST sacrifice well-being for freedom or vice versa.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There are no more anti-Stalinist people on Earth than today's democratic socialists. Stalin perverted their views and disgraced their ideology to the point that it will probably never recover, and I, for one, hope it doesn't. No ideology, either right or left, justifies totalitarianism.

This thread, however, was supposedly about HITLER, wasn't it? Are you bashing liberals for NOT engaging in thread derailment, like you're doing?