How China could use trade embargos to force Canada to end its "no restrictions on abortion" laws

end the war on drugs and the problem goes away

 

So now we've gone from discussing abortions, to discussing guns, to discussing drugs...

 

I don't agree with ANY of that.

We are a stupendous market for drugs, and the traffic required to feed our demand is a GIGANTIC problem for Mexico.

In the other direction, our supply of guns is a serious problem for Mexico, too.

As for this thread, it has been TOTALLY off the rails. In fact, it was never ON the rails.

The very idea of demanding that Canada erect laws against abortion is STUPID, given that they have a lower abortion rate than we do. We need to be learning from Canada.

And, attempting to get China to help screw up Canada by exerting economic force against on our closest neighbor is even more ludicrous.

 

push for free long term birth control options, best way to reduce abortions

if that is the real goal, and the real goal is not to punish people having sex for pleasure

 

Most of the difference disappears if the statistics are adjusted for race.

Some of the remaining difference could be accounted for by the fact that it is so cold, people don't go out as much.

If you look at the statistics, the abortion rates are very different for different US states, suggesting there could be other factors at play.
(And the US states with the most liberal laws tend to have higher abortion rates)

 

Thank God.

We don't have problems with Canada. We DO have issues with China and Mexico.

Attempting to get China, which WILL overtake us economically, to do damage against Canada, our closest partner is just too stupid for words.

We need to be working WITH other nations, especially Pacific nations, to form alliances that can stand up to the political and economic will of China.

 

I already described as much in a previous post.

But I did point out it could theoretically be possible to do.
It's a creative out-of-the-box idea.

 

We do have a much more serious disparity based on discrimination that we implement here in the US. We DO need to address that.

But, that's not an excuse for making more laws based on discrimination.

And, the laws being proposed are being enacted against a population that is almost all white! Even if you "prove" that the whole problem is "black people", your "solution" is just not justified.

You just aren't making sense with this racist argument of yours.

 

I was replying to your post, lol

 

It's the most stupid idea I've EVER heard.

Inviting our arch competitor in world economics, politics, humanitarian influence, and every other field of endeavor to attack our closest partner could not be more ridiculous if you specifically studied how to come up with ways to stab ourselves in the back.

Besides, once again I'd point out that we should be LEARNING from Canada. They have successful ideas that we do not have.

 

You do realize that doesn't do anything to help your argument?

(If I am overlooking something, please take me through your logic)

 

But it could theoretically work.

 

Hmmm... any other non-white country we could be "learning" from?

(That's a rhetorical question. I'm trying to point out an issue with your associative logic, and a huge issue progressives seem to have which is highly ironic)

 

So, how about figuring out why certain states have higher abortion rates.

The whole legal assault on abortion totally dodges the fact that there are reasons that women choose abortion.

Canada is a demonstration that you can't blame it on some states having laws that are less nasty to women.

 

I could offer plenty of theories, but in the end I don't actually know for sure, nor can I prove it.

My point was that Canada having different rates than the US doesn't necessarily prove anything about the correlation between the statistics and relevant laws.

There are plenty of states with abortion laws that are stricter than the US average but still have very low abortion rates.

 

You claimed the problem is "black people".

I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is as a justification for making harsh laws against white people - as well as pointing out the deeper issue of the racism of your appeal.

 

Your logic on that one is flawed.


You are acting as if what I said was that we need laws to prevent black people from getting abortions.

No, what I said was that if the difference in statistics is due to race, rather than laws, then your original argument that the statistics in each country supports what the laws should be does not make sense.

Maybe you are trying to make the argument that if abortion rates in each country are similar, why can't white women live under the same type of laws that exist in Canada? That is still a much weaker argument than your original one. See, that argument would be that laws do not show a correlation, whereas your original argument was that an inverse correlation was seen.

 

Gee, gosh, here 's the UNcherry picked post you replied to :

"""You claimed the problem is "black people".

I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is as a justification for making harsh laws against white people - as well as pointing out the deeper issue of the racism of your appeal."""

 

Well, you have been claiming that you DO know - that you know we have to enact harsher laws against women.

I do hope you are suggesting a change to at least some degree here, as I actually believe the abortion rate could be reduced by means other than even harsher laws against women. My belief is that the lives of women could be improved in ways that would reduce the abortion rate. After all, there have to be reasons that Canada has a lower abortion rate.

However, I'm not backing off the point that laws against women on this issue of personal belief and bodily autonomy are just not acceptable, regardless of any argument. There will ALWAYS be those who do not share your beliefs and who do see abortion as legitimate in their own circumstances.

 

You're going to have to try a WHOLE lot harder than that.

 

There also has to be a reason New York has a higher rate.

 

Except that argument doesn't hold up so much if we look at specific states in the US.

 

I don't agree with that at all.

You're making a racist argument. You're suggesting that black people are somehow different in a way that makes them more likely to resort to abortion.

I don't agree with that exclusion AT ALL.

And, I'd still point out that you want laws against a population that is almost all white, while justifying that on the grounds that there is a minority sub population that you believe are somehow less capable.

I DO agree that we have a ways to go to ensure equal opportunity to our citizens.

 

statistically, yes

In NYC, more than half of black pregnancies end in abortion.

Let's just say there are some "daddy" issues...

 

No.

If you don't know the reasons women choose abortion and don't know what the differences are between states wrt those reasons, then pointing to state differences is NOT a support for any argument you have.

You have to actually know the issue first.