Of note the Geneva Conventions prohibit an occupying nation from allowing it's civilians to move into occupied territories. Israel is a member of that treaty and is in direct violation of it related to the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Jerusalem. It was also in violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as the Armistice of 1949 with Jordan when it allowed Jewish occupation of territory that it had acquired during the 1948-49 Arab-Israeli War. We must wonder how the Palestinians can possibly hope to negotiate a settlement with Israel related to a Palestinian State when Israel has so a long record of ignoring treaties that is signs. It's rather telling when a person can basically trust any business deal with a Jewish businessman based upon a simple handshake but when it comes to the Israeli government it doesn't even honor official treaties. It is quite evident to me that the Israeli government does not represent the integrity of the Jewish People as a whole.
agreed israel does not abide by its treaties but it would be unfair to tie the integrity of a jewish businessman in the US with that of the foreign policy of israel
Nor did I attempt to do that. My example was that in general I've found the Jewish People to be very trustworthy when it comes to their business relationships and obligations but this trait is not shared by the Israeli government. This is a key point because many condemn the actions of the Israeli government but supporters of that government often attempt to portray this as condemnation of the Jewish People, or anti-semitism, and nothing could be further from the truth.
That is actually a very good point. And also part of the problem with the culture of Israeli's imo, it is overtly militaristic. There is quite a difference between having a capable military, as many countries do, and almost ingraning a dangerous military influence, into society, and at a v young age, and in a compulsory manner. I believe that history tells us that almost every nation or state that has even done that, has always produced a generation or two of war like people. And it can often have tragic consequences, for others. History tells us that Nazi Germany put great emphasis on a nation steeped in military and nationalism. It was compulsory for youngsters to be part of 'Hitler Youth', just as it is compulsory for Israeli youngsters to be processed and militarised, by the Israel powerbrokers, by way of compelling them to join the Israeli youth army. Unlike many countries whose people do national service, then are grateful to return to a non military life, Israel almost encourage as many as possible to remain on their payroll, after they have gone through as process, as a kid. Many gravitate to the full IDF, or even working for their intelligence services. The whole pervasive culture of it, over a period of time, was always going produce an aggressive citizenry, not really wired up for being humane or fair or negotiating, but entirely designed to be the aggressor, and to win whatever they wanted, at any cost. It is social engineering - to create a society on purpose, who react or think that way. Jack
I think we are too involved and instead of focusing on Israel we should be looking at our own problems. As said before none of our business really. However this is an idealistic view at this point in time. We have already done so much for them and can't abandon one of our best allies in the middle east. If we do most likely they will be destroyed and Arab countries will turn their eye to the US and search for revenge for backing Israel for all these years. As much as I don't like our involvement there the survival of Israel is of great importance to the US.
Only due to the powerful Israeli lobby in media and politics, telling you so. In real terms, Israel could vanish today, and it would make no difference to the future of the US. Well, it might make it a place less full of Zionists, I suppose, and I guess young American lads would be sent to fight less Zionist orchestrated battles. Israel is important only to uber Jewish nationalists, who like German uber nationalists, pay no mind or attention to the rights of those they choose to hate, and do not see it as murder to kill them, or theft to steal from them. It may also be 'important' to some American Christians, but only those that have been uttely fooled into complicity. Other than that, it would be like getting a boil lanced - a great comfort.
More Zionist spin. This is nonsense, and the reason they give to bleed more money from America. Israel are about the 4th best defended nation, military wise, in the World. They are more than able to defend themselves, so this idea of poor little Israel, full of vulnerable and humble Jews, is a falsehood. The same Zionist BS is often put out as 'fact' that this is the same reason Israel cannot agree to a two state solution, because the new Palestine would be a threat to Israel. Again, this is utter horse(*)(*)(*)(*)e. Palestine would be about a fifth the size of Albania, and with a fraction of the population of Kuwait. Are you really telling me that Israel, the 4th best defended state/nation in the World, would find tiny Palestine a serious threat? It is all a nonsense, a delaying tactic, so that Israel can go on with actions that are, in the end, actually illegal.
That scale makes no sense to me. I don't see how a person's feeling about the rapture and despising Israel are two opposite poles. They are more like unrelated thoughts to me. What am I missing here?
3. I guess. Couldn't careless. I'm not Israeli, I'm American. I care about America first and only. To hell with the rest!
Well, yes, they know they can fall back on their attack dog, that is true, but one would imagine them to be well equipped weapon wise, to take care of themselves, which is my point.
I see and understand you point and in the short run you are correct but without the US support they can't keep it up. I mean what do you think would happen if their biggest supporter and supplier went away? Vastly outnumbered by pissed off Arabs in population and they lost their main supply source ( the US). This situation is not favorable. Again as much as I don't like our involvement in the conflict abandoning them is not a good idea. In order to leave it needs to be a transition faze over several years. You cand kick them out of the nest all the sudden and expect them to do well on their own ther needs to be a tradition.
It's perpetual war. However I don't see the Jews strapping explosives to their chest and blowing themselves up along with a hundred other Jews. Shiias and Sunnis no problem. Give the Persians nukes and when they are done with the Jews they are coming after you.
When a nation has adequate military equipment and manpower it doesn't need to resort to suicide measures. Israel has "F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon, and the AH-64D Apache and AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters. Israel also has developed its own independent weapons industry, which has developed weapons and vehicles such as the Merkava battle tank series, (and) the Kfir fighter aircraft" according to Wikipedia with 187,000 active members of the IDF, 565,000 reserve personnel, and roughly 3 million Israelis that it can call on if needed for military operations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Weapons_and_equipment Hamas, the main opponent to Israel has a much more limited military according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Military_wing Hamas has no air force, no battle tanks or armor, no navy and offers no military threat to Israel. This is not an endorsement of terrorist attacks by any means but it does emphasize that Hamas is incapable of going head to head with attacks by IDF forces which attack Palestinians with virtual impunity including historical attacks on refugee camps which are in direct violation of the laws and customs of war and are considered to be war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel remains in an active state of war with Gaza by imposing a naval blockade of Gaza which is an act of war under international law.
Obviously the zionists don't need to: the US provides them with all the means of murdering that anyone could need, even nazis.
If they cannot 'keep it up' without the support of politcal elites in the US, then that is all the more reason to end financial and military support, sooner, not later. Without the US elties making it possible for Israel to continue with criminality, Israel would be forced to behave legally and morally. Israel will never do this, for as long as they know they can manipulate financial support and military support, from the US. It would hasten a two state solution, because it would be in the interests of Israel to honestly go to the debating table, unlike at the moment, where they daily illegally occupy lands, and go on with their illegal settlement programme, the one where they illegally remove people from their homes, and replace them with immigrants. Israel would realise they could no longer just do what they liked, to whom they liked, nor could they ride roughshod over international law anymore, because they would finally be accountable for doing so - not from some sort of revenge, carried out by Arab states, but by the US and the UN, who would warn Israel that they had to comply with law and the UN, or face the same sort of actions as other nations who routinely break international law - sanctions, and beyond.
They don't need to do that, do they, those are the actions of utterly desperate people, why would Zionist Jews need to do that, when they have the US by the balls? If they need money, they put their hand out. If they need other forms of aid, they put their hand out. If they need a pro Zionist bias in the media, the US media are happy to oblige. If they need US foreign policy to suit Israel, they manipulate US politics. All of that said, there were Zionist terrorists, long before the Zionist media in the US brainwashed people into thinking it the reserve of Muslims. At least one former Israeli PM was a terrorist, and there are many others that have been in the Gov and military, who were terrorists, as well.
im devoted enough to israel to mention i support them as a sovereign nation when asked and will defend the Jews against blatant anti-semitism. in other words not much.
