How will we ever know truth again?

It’s a quick and easy question. The 7-10 pm bobble heads pretend to be biased, but are.

The most recent, and only mentioned because it’s the most recent, a clip shows Hannity saying that nobody on the right predicted a red wave, which is followed by 30 FOX hosts and guests predicting a red wave or better. The right can create dozens of these that implicate the left.

With our ability to recreate anything anywhere anytime, how can we ever trust evidence? It will work fine for criminal and medical DNA, but if someone releases a picture of Joe Senator snorting coke off of a hooker, it could so easily be faked we have to dismiss it out of hand.

Anyone feeling the same?

 

Are you talking about deep fakes? They will be (are?) indeed an opportunity for massive propaganda in mass media, but will be easily debunked in court. The algorythms used to make them are always precisely as advanced as the algorythms used to decode them (its all basically the same alghorythms). If its just on TV, its prolly best to assume its somewhere between out of context and completely manufactured out of nothing. If it prompts a lawsuit and makes it to court, thats when to start paying attention (because thats when you start having the opportunity to get facts about it).

 

People rely on the media, in its widest definition, for factual information. Much if not most of the media (print, TV, radio, entertainment, social, etc.) have long since abandoned the precept of journalistic reporting of factual news or stories and have moved to the support of agendas. This is even taught in many journalism schools..

 

I'm not talking about lawsuits. I'm talking about how every person has to go do their own research, which is madness in this day and age. In my specific example, Hannity said something that all his watchers now believe because Hannity said so, but one person went and trimmed all those clips of a couple dozen Fox hosts saying exactly what Hannity said they didn't say.

 

Thats just the nature of the beast. I agree it's tiresome, but there isn't anything we can do about it. If you rely on others to keep you informed, they'll eventually (be used to) sell you mis/disinfo to reshape the narrative to their goals (and away from yours). Thats just the nature of living in a society of individuals who are ultimately competing with eachother. And TBC, this isn't a defense of liars or a defense of social darwinism. Competition between individuals can (should!) remain honest/honorable and be mutually beneficial if we want it to be. But there's just no way to ever know for sure who is trying to compete honestly and cooperatively and who is trying to gain an advantage with deception. Its all part of the advanture of life, the animating contest of liberty, and will be until we can all literally know eachother's thoughts and motives ...which frankly, sounds very creepy and boring to me.

 

It's only become the "nature of the beast" in our lifetime. When news shows were considered news and not entertainment (to make money) one could be fairly sure of getting facts. Now, what can be done is.....not watch. It's amazing to me that Fox is the most watched "News" station when at least 80% is opinion.....like Hannity.
Don't watch.

 

LOL no. It's always been the case that the news is propaganda to indoctrinate the unvigilant. It just got so blatant of late that its easier to debunk their BS. Also the internet helps.

 

We need a single term limit for all elected offices and we need for federal government to stay in its lane. Neither will happen. So you get what you see.

 

Im sure they appreciate your viewership. I choose not to suckle from partisan media nipples. Just like nipples, there is one on the left and one on the right.

 

I don’t watch cable news. That’s not my point. With the ability to make fake photos that look completely real, or apps that can make someone say something they never said, we are rapidly entering an era where what you see and hear may be completely fake. It certainly doesn’t help that our news channels don’t resemble news anymore.

We can’t even trust some of the websites designed to help separate fact from fiction.

 

For me, they are all pre-distrusted! Once the fake claim is found to be false, they already achieved the desired result.

 

You're completely wrong but you can think what you like.

 

News programming is slightly more than 8% their daily programming schedule. You were giving them too much credit

 

There's an awful lot of people thinking truth is what they like, regardless of any other metric. It's true on both sides- but one side does hold the honor of leading the charge to kill truth... and it's not the side you would like it to be. Trouble is when one side throws out the principles of honor and truth, the other has no choice but to fight fire with fire.

The truth is also that nobody makes you embrace lying- some do it because they see advantage in it and lack the character to do otherwise.... Some do it because it's become the way things are, and truth doesn't work when nonsense is considered just as valid.

It would be easy to fake a senator using coke, and easily forgotten. But then you see a picture of Rachael Levine, and you realize that the real issue is not fake pictures, but fake people. Hard to unsee that.

 

Well, since I hate both parties, I’m only disappointed that our media is practicing the most evil yellow journalism possible. I think Tucker Carlson is the worst of the worst right now. He goes to court and and admits he lies, but then goes on lying and his viewers ear it up and pass it on as truth.

 

I see you are experienced in "yellow journalism": techniques.

 

below is an example of the dangers of 'deep fake" technology

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f...-jordan-question-dr-anthony-fauci/ar-AA146Ait

the above was viewed 500,000 times and does not have an ounce of truth

both sides will do it..

like childish games ...one side posts something then the other side must retaliate..

tell me again about free speech

yes, I think a person can post any lie he/she wishes

but the same person but be held accountable for the damage done

like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater ..

a person has a right to yell fire when there is not a fire

but if another person is injured because of the stampede caused by the lie

the liar should be held accountable and responsible

 

not at all like yelling "fire" in crowded theater ... and you don't state what the lie is or athe damage done so hard to make any sense of this post.

 

the damage done is the appearance is gives to both Jordan and Fauci

it makes Jordan look like he had evidence ..which he did not

and it makes Fauci to appear he was defending himself .. which he was not

The portrayals of Jordan and Fauci are inaccurate to say the least

many stupid people will see this and believe it

 

There are several issues combining here.
Perhaps the most critical is the shift in personal values and character that has taken place over the the last several decades. Society begin to buy too much of the argument that people were victims and their misconduct was due to the conditions around them instead of their character and own decisions- we weakened the validity of character, and the responsibility for your own conduct and decisions. We made truth and responsibility much more negotiable, and easier to evade.

Honor, integrity and the values that make people capable of building successful social orders are not inherent human traits; they are things we recognize are valuable and aspire to. They are, at any time, no more effective for us than the degree to which we value and respect them. These are the tools of civility, or order over chaos, of justice over injustice..... of truth over lies. It's an adjustable scale- we determine if those things belong to us or not, by our choices of conduct- and perhaps more importantly by our tolerance of the absence of those values.

If lies never worked, there would be little damage done by them. We are allowing them to work- accepting "Nonsense' at the table of reason.... then wondering why nonsense is destroying truth.
Freedom of speech is a critical value in our constitution, but it is our level of character that gives lies and those that speak them power- or shame. That is in our control; we are getting a diet of BS because we are allowing it to thrive; eroding the stability of our own society in the process.

 

Of course, dispassionate assessment of credible, corroborative empirical data is always essential.

Be wary of self-promoters whose self-pleasuring assaults upon credible empirical data are devoid of evidence. E.g., if an angry, egomaniacal loser brays that he had a "Landslide!" stolen, where and how? Who are the masterminds, coordinators, enablers, and operatives in such a monumental conspiracy? Who is being prosecuted for election fraud?

Don't trust weird people that spew self-deluded, weird stuff:

"He loved looking at my body!"
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This. Thread. Is. Not. About. Trump.

There are literally hundreds of threads about Trump. This isn’t one of them.

 

If I violated a taboo by my example, please ignore it.

The normal metrics of objective credibility in ascertaining truth still apply.

 

If you followed what the red wave Fox News pundits were reporting about polls, the Republicans were behind in almost all of them. Their cover for that was that Republicans were under represented in the polls. As it turned out, the polls predicted the results. The effects of mail-in voting is another issue.