How will we ever know truth again?

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  1. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    it is exactly the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater

    yelling fire in a crowded theater that is not on fire can cause chaos and unnecessary panic and injuries

    yelling "fire" was a LIE, the person that yelled fire can be held liable for the damages done

    a kid breaks his arm in the stampede caused by the lie...the person that lied should be held responsible

    the damage done here is the appearance of Jordan having evidence, which he did NOT

    and to confirm the lie of Jordan, it appeared that Fauci was defending himself ..which he was NOT

    how many thousands of people watch this ?? at least 500,000 are confirmed

    lets say 20% believe it...

    there have been over 12 billion vaccines givin worldwide ...9999% have had NO side effects

    some poor snaggletooth guy watched this and makes the decision to skip the vaccine and instead gets Covid and dies

    then his snaggle tooth kids and fat wife all are now on welfare because the bread winner listened to and believed some "deep fake: news

    when in fact 12 BILLION vaccines have been given wordwide ...there are 8 billion people worldwide

    if you believe for even a minute the vaccines are dangerous you are sadly mistaken



    let me repeat this and I will type it out

    TWELVE BILLION doses have been given with miniscule side effects ..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your claim of miniscule (0.9999%) side effects is false .. as is your claim that the Vax will save healthy folks from dying. So what you claim is a lie .. is not a lie but, even if it was .. is still not the same as yelling fire in crowded theater.
     
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  3. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's interesting to note that the person most easily deceived in all this appears to be you. You just search stories until you find one that supports what you want to believe, then buy it and reject all else??
    Awesome strategy, that way you are always right in your own mind.

    The CDC doesn't agree with you. Do you know what Anaphylaxis is? It's a critical reaction that is rapidly fatal without immediate treatment. Occurs in 5 of every million covid vaccinations. That particular reaction alone would have effected around 300 people.

    Do you know why you are required to remain at the place where you got your injection for a period of observation? It's so reactions can be dealt with immediately if they occur.

    CDC lists serious side effects. Includes Thrombosis; causing blood clots in large vessels. Then there is a list of others, including severe ones like Guillain-Barré Syndrome. Myocarditis. Pericarditis.

    I know three people who have experienced notable side effects from the vaccine. That would be about the same as your world-wide number. Amazing that I would know them all.

    No, you don't know any of that, or you wouldn't be spreading BS on the waters instead of bread.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Now I'm curious. You say 24/7 MSM is fake news. Using yesterday as an example, what was fake on MSM?
     
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    So, you don't think the vaccines are safe. Well, the CDC doesn't agree with YOU. Yes, there can be side effects....there can be with ALL vaccines. Your point of knowing 3 people with "notable" side effects really doesn't mean much. What were they and did they involve hospitalzation or is a "noteable" side affect muscle aches. The point of there being 12 BILLION shots given with statically little to no problems trumps your notable exceptions.
     
  6. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    you can say that again !! Lol.
     
  7. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    What MSM do you refer, that's a lot of differenet sources.
    Anything that's on 24/7 is fake. At least 99% of it. It's like the rag magazine National Enquirer. It's all spin.

    What about yesterday's example are you referring to?
    You know most of the day is talking heads spinning daily events into a narrative that fits their targeted audience.
    Real news stories don't target an audience. They target the populace. With data and facts as known. And the audience decides what to make of the news.
     
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    IMO, the first party to offer to satisfy a critical need of the voting public will instantly gain -- super majority support.

    This is the right idea but about $14K too little:

    “PHOENIX (AP) — Public school advocates who oppose a massive expansion of Arizona's private school voucher system enacted by the Republican-controlled Legislature and signed into law by Republican Gov. Doug Ducey in July filed enough signatures Friday to block it from taking effect.

    The law, which extends the program to every child in the state, will be on hold instead of taking effect Saturday. If a review finds that Save Our Schools Arizona has met the requirement for nearly 119,000 valid signatures — and if those signatures survive any court challenges filed by voucher backers — it will remain blocked until the November 2024 election.”

    “Although about a third of Arizona students qualify for the existing voucher program — mainly those living in low-income areas — only about 12,000 students statewide currently use the system.

    The expansion Ducey signed will let every parent in Arizona take public money now sent to the K-12 public school system and use it to pay for their children’s private school tuition, homeschool materials or other education costs.

    Arizona already has the most expansive education options in the nation and will have the most comprehensive voucher system if the law takes effect.

    An estimated 60,000 currently-enrolled private school students and about 38,000 homeschooled students would immediately be eligible for up to $7,000 per year, although a small number already get vouchers. All 1.1 million students who attend traditional district and charter schools would also qualify to leave their public schools and receive money to attend private schools.”
    US NEWS, Foes of Arizona School Vouchers File to Block Huge Expansion, Public school advocates who oppose a massive expansion of Arizona’s private school voucher system have filed enough signatures to block it from taking effect., By Associated Press, Sept. 23, 2022.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...ona-school-voucher-expansion-file-to-block-it
     
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    You're struggling here. I asked something simple. Take something to use as an example from yesterday's news. Any story, any outlet that is fake. You give the "National Enquirer" as an example?!! NO ONE with a brain considers that a "reliable news source" in any way, shape or form. Not in my lifetime.
     
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    I wish I could agree with you. The capacity to recognize a way to meet a critical need would be over-powered by the senseless objection to an idea coming from anywhere but your own side.
    I think we have a lot of critical items where the proper directions are obvious- and they not only meet objections, they are described as some vile attempt at racism or dictatorship or something equally nasty.
    IF we could solve the problem with the people making the rules, then we might find the rules a lot better respected by the people So long as the rule-makers won't follow their own rules- Chaos rules. Common sense is coming in last.
     
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    The US Mint is one of oldest and most efficient agencies of the US government.
    That does not quite make it a "deity". ;-)
     
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    When the parents and guardians of children have control of about $20K/year/child from the education budget, and can choose to use those funds to pay teachers directly for their skills, those parents guardians and teachers will become a solid powerful voting block.
    Their opposition, administrators, and government contractors, account for very few votes by comparison.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would be strongly in favor of giving parents the benefit of that resource, and a great deal more power over educational rules. It's one of those things where government will allow you to make your own choices, but will tax you and keep your money anyway- without being accountable for the use and results of it.

    That alone is an offensive policy.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The answer simple: Quit watching Hannity and the election deniers.

    Anything that is faked can be confirmed or disaffirmed, so, relax.

    Try Lester Holt, he is the most trusted and unbiased news anchor on broadcast television.
     
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  15. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks. Very helpful.
     
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    The US education is an obsolete failed boondoggle.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/24/covid-spending-schools-students-achievement/
     
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    The DP can't get its story straight.

    "I'm very concerned that you could have a hack that finally went through. You have 21 states that were hacked into, they didn't find out about it for a year," she said in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press.”

    Amy KlobucharU.S. Senator for Minnesota
    Amy in the News, Top Democrat Klobuchar says she remains 'very concerned' about a midterm election hack, NBC News, By Ben Kamisar, August 5, 2018.
    https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/pu...-very-concerned-about-a-midterm-election-hack
     
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    It is not a deity. It references an unidentified deity that an unspecified "We" allegedly trust, and began trusting in this unidentified deity in 1955.

    Milton noted that "others have forsaken Mammon in search of something on a more spiritual plane," distinguishing between material and spiritual values.

    Not even the Philatelic and Numismatic Office of the Vatican City State conflate the disparate matters.
     
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    No proof was ever found that machines were tampered with such that they produced inaccurate results.

    Remember, audits were done and machine numbers concurred with hand counts. There are paper ballots, which renders the concept of machine tampering moot.
     
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    I don't watch them, how would I know what spin they did yesterday?
    Of course no one takes the National Enquirer as reliable. I don't take 24/7 reality tv as reliable either.
     
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    ??????? He says he didnt know where it "started". Hannity never claimed anybody didnt say anything. The "rumors of a red wave" he speaks of were probably those same rumors in the video montage. Sounds like much to do about nothing here. Dont become distraught over not being able to know whether or not Hannity actually knows where the rumor "started". It really doesnt matter in the scheme of things to be concerned with.
    JM Rieger on Twitter: "New @PostVideo mashup: How Fox News hyped a "red wave" for weeks leading up to the midterms https://t.co/5DG4TPXp7j" / Twitter
     
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    Instead of reading what somebody said about the video and leading you astray into believing that "a clip shows Hannity saying that nobody on the right predicted a red wave", just watch the clip. he says no such thing.

    JM Rieger on Twitter: "New @PostVideo mashup: How Fox News hyped a "red wave" for weeks leading up to the midterms https://t.co/5DG4TPXp7j" / Twitter
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At the risk of re re re repeating myself, the Hannity bit was one recent example. There are way too many examples.
     
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    No one is allowed to examine the machines.
     
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    I was disputing the only example you gave. I cant dispute the others within your mind unless you share them with us.

    "How will we know the truth?" Well, in this case I put "hannity red wave prediction" in google and
    Sean Hannity Gets Blistering Reminder After Playing Dumb On ‘Red Tsunami’ Prediction (yahoo.com)
    was literally the first search result, linking to the video in question and the truth was revealed. Easy peasy. Didn't even need to go to Duck Duck Go to find info on things the left doesnt like you to hear, like one frequently needs to do so.
     
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