Hundreds of Germans protested Ukrainian fascism, on the occasion of visit to Germany

Stalin made a deal with perhaps the world's most evil man, who was a psychotic mass-murderer.

he made the deal so he could get lots of extra land for his own evil empire.

Stalin and Hitler were two sides of the same very evil coin.

 

With Hitler, Stalin made a crummy deal about dividing the Eastern Europe, a little of here and a little of there, but he made a lot better deal with the allies after the victory over Hitler's Germany! Stalin went out more powerful and he was very respected by Western Powers, while getting geriatric and increasingly paranoid crazy. He did not like Jews, because of his bad memories about communist competitors over power in the government, Leon Trotsky in particular. However, Stalin was a savior of Jews from Hitler's genocide. Many Jews were high ranking officers in the army and in the Communist party apparatus. Many of them, among other nationalities, were awarded honor medals as Heroes of the Soviet Union and children in schools were taught about their exploits during WWII. If the Soviet Union would not survive Hitler's "drang nach osten", millions of Jews in the country would get exterminated.

 

Stalin let Hitler have all the Jews in Western and Central Europe.

Millions of Jews in western Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, etc etc.

I owe him no thanks.

 

That said, if it wasn't principally for the Red Army, Hitler fascism would have succeeded and therefore even more Jews would have been killed than would otherwise been the case. Stalin's triumph over Hitler fascism, in other words, was the better of two evils.

 

Poland, Hungary, Romania and Czechoslovakia did not belong to Soviet Union, when Hitler invaded those countries. Western powers did not mind, at least they did not act decisively, when Hitler had started mass extermination of Jews. In fact, some even rejected Jewish refugees from Europe, including USA before Hitler attacked Soviet Union.

 

The then owner of the establishment right-wing Daily Mail here in the UK, Lord Rothermere, was close friends with Hitler. The paper regularly invented anti-Jewish scaremonger stories with the aim of garnering British support against post war Jewish immigration into the UK. Rothermere was a repugnant anti-semite, as were many other establishment figures at that time.

The paper continues with its racist stories today, although the focus tends to be more on Muslims. Despite this disgusting history, many Jewish - mainly right-wing neoZionists - columnists and commentators continue to write for the paper as if the history never happened. One of the leading Jewish columnists is the rabid Islamophobe and neoZionists, Melanie Philips who writes garbage scare and hate stories about Muslims similar to the way her predecessors wrote about Jews.

 

Bravo!!!! You are absolutely right. For these countries the perfect corresponds expression of FM Dostoevsky's of novel "The Possessed". Dostoyevsky called such - "nothingness with big ambitions"

 

I read - in your words there is joy. But all is not easy.
1. Russia, even in the 90s could wipe any country. Including the United States, together with the terrorist NATO bloc.
2.Who told you that Russia is now weaker than the USSR? For your displeasure now Russia will not weaker than the former Soviet Union. And in some armaments - superior. (I mean modern aspect ratio in a possible war. And not because they are developing the technology. Another 10 years of peace, and Russia will be the most powerful nation.)

(laughs) You are delusional? What is lost? USSR collapsed voluntarily. Russia has retained all its weapons. Not one enemy soldier or politician has no marched into the "Red Square". What is lost? Were economic difficulties. Is yes. In fact - the revolution. So what? Your delusion is the same if you say - USA lost because it was a "great depression." Maybe life in Germany affects adequacy perception. You zombie western media?
If so you better change the flag in the comments. Eg. as rainbow. Show that you are a supporter of the euro cultural values.

And I'm saying what. Now also think in the U.S. and various nobodies of NATO. History, Western vampires teaches nothing.
P / S: Tell me honestly - you do not Russian. And not a German. You want to guess your nationality?

 

Russian soldiers would mostly have run away and deserted. Watch that movie. It does show by real ex commanders what would have happened if...

They would have liked the Deutschmark to much. I guess the best weappon for the russian army would be 10 Million bottles of cheap Vodka. All for free. These russians will stay there for ever and not move anymore. That would be my personal secret weapon to them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpodgUrmXjE

BTW. I KNEW YOU WILL PUT IN QUESTION THAT VIS IS RUSSIAN. I KNEEEW IT. He is russian. more than you. Unlike you, he is a russian patriot. And also a european one I think.

 

(laughs) "Russian patriot" who wants to tear part of Russian territory - is a Jew. There can be no mistakes. Retrieved history. By the way. The Jews have a peculiar "patriotism". Eg. First, they lead to the rise of Hitler. Finance it. After the defeat of the Third Reich at War, create a kind of brand "holocaust", profiting from it, receiving financial and political dividends. (Although the Slavs in the massacre were killed much more - more than 30 million (including Poles, Serbs, etc.))
It is no secret that the Fuhrer and Nazi Party sponsored by such influential Jewish industrialists, as Reynold Gesner and Fritz Mandel. Hitler had considerable assistance famous banking dynasty Warburg and personally Max Warburg (Director of the Hamburg bank "M.M.Varburg & Co.")
Among other Jewish bankers who spared no expense on the NSDAP, you must select Berliners Oscar Wasserman (one of the leaders of Deutsche Bank) and Hans Privin. A number of researchers believe that participated in the financing of the Nazi - Rothschilds, them Hitler was needed for the project to create a Jewish state in Palestine. It is interesting that in fact Hitler and his party financed and prepared the way for the Nazi seizure of power in Germany, the same forces that prepared the Revolution of 1905, 1917 in Russia, sponsored by the Bolshevik Party, the Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, were working closely with all the Russian revolutionary forces. Such are the "patriots" in Germany and in Russia. And in other countries too. But you're not German. You do not care. And this you supports the "patriots".....Well would you study history.

 

To the rest of the audium inhere: does it need any better proof about antisemitism of (some) russians that this one here?

I do not think so ^^

 

Common! The whole heavy industry in modern Russia is destroyed. We can not produce our own planes: Aeroflot uses Airbus instead of Tupolev and Iluyshin airplanes. Where are they now? Our military superjets are built mostly from the components which we buy ouside of Russia. Our space program is pure disaster now. Fobos-grunt did not carry out its mission. We do not produce our ouwn card like in the Soviet Union. Where is Volgda (Gaz-21/31), where is Moskvitsch? Lada is out of competence. And on the top of that- our pride in the USSR- Free Good Education disappeared simply because the old generation has stopped working, and those who are from 70-80- mostly migrated outside of Russia (look at Nobel Laureats Geim and Novoselov). Soviet School of Science was destroyed, as well as Academy of Science of USSR. Corruption which was not possible at such extent in USSR, is now in Russia at huge level. And you say yet that Russia is as strong as USSR? Then you are blind. In gross domestic product we are behind Urugway and Chili! Only on 56 place! Russia now only survive because it sells oil and gas. Once it is finished- poverty everywhere, unless government start to do something already now. Our genius physicist Vitaly Ginzburg as early as 20 years ago already told Russian authorities that we need to invest a lot of money for development of alternative sources of energy. But it looks like noone was interested - it is easier to sell the gas now, and after that- for oligarchs- just run away from country with all the money. Putin- is a disaster for Russian economics, instead of suppressing corruption he cultivates it. This is clearly seen on the process against former Defence minister Serdukov, who has stolen billions of rubles from the budget and still enjoys his life on the freedom.
You know, lost war does not mean that some soldiers should march on the Red Square- it is not 19th or early 20th century. Russia lost the influence that USSR had on other countries, Russia lost dramatically population (the death rate is higher then the birth rate). Russia lost free good education and free health care, which were in the USSR . Russia lost industry, which was in the Soviet Union.
I was born in Soviet Union in Ukraine. And which nationality did you think I am?

 

What does the anti-Semitism? I write facts. Did I write lies? Did not the Jews financed Hitler? Did not the Jews financed Lenin? Is now not the Jews financed the Nazis in the Ukraine?
By the way. JESUS CHRIST said, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, 8:44:"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews -- " (which makes it clear that Christ was addressing the Jews.)
But that said, MOHAMMED, in the Koran "Whoever is a friend of a Jew, belong to them, becomes one of them, God cannot tolerate this mean people. The Jews have wandered from divine religion. You must not relent in your work which must show up Jewish deceit."
And idol "tolerant" of the world, WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co. "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
Bingo!

 

(Laughs) I read your comments and it seems to me that you do not live in Germany. You live on the moon. And you writing of 90s, the last century. I was even too lazy to explain to you something.

That explains it. (Russian flag - to misinform people on the forum?)

"Russian patriot" who wants to tear part of Russia - is a Jew. This is the classic version. Also born in the Ukraine. By the way, in Ukraine - "Ukrainian patriot" Kolomoysky (who is Jewish) financed Nazis. Here they are - "patriots"

 

Nobody else than vis I think propably will understand my fellowing comment, but I do not care:

You do know something? Vis opinion about Crimea and Russia and Ukraine is not the same I do have. But his intention about it and his honest and polite ability to debate is showing up that he is european and indeed closer to me than eaven some people who would agree on my view about Crimea and Ukraine and Russia, but who are not willing to debate in a civilized fair way.

I can see that also from hard liners who write that russians would be a "fascist nation" - such comments are to me also unacceptable.

So if I knew that the style of a guy like vis would dominate the unification procedure about Crimea, I would not feel uncomfortable about that unification at all.

The difference between me and vis are smaller , far smaller than between me and zarathustra or me and the other guy who agreed on me but who said that russians are a "fascist nation" - it is always an unfair insult to generalize in such way.

So to make it clear: I sort of cannot get away from the feeling, that the real patriots are such people who love their country, who support and protect it, but who are also able to critizise it for the better.

You Zarathustra, you are lost in Russia without such people, such true patriots. They do save the honor of your country, they also bring your country in a better position in many many ways.

I am afraid you are to limited in your mindset to get that. That wont change the fact that I am deeply convincest that Vis is a russian patriot.

And something else: he makes me able to cheack my views. I trust him. I might be wrong sometimes. You simply do stabilize the worst ideas about russians I have. You are a russian nationalist. Such people as you and other nationalists, why dont you all unite and leave such as vis in peace?


"That explains it. (Russian flag - to misinform people on the forum?) "

That is the best inhere...I am on the ground from laughing now...

You know something? vis is ukrainian and I am in fact russian! Get happy.

 

Vis - Ukrainian Jew. He may not be a Russian patriot. Ukrainian fascists now kill Russian in Ukraine. And the Jews are financing it. Russian flag he posted for misinformation.

 

Would advice you to look through world's top producers of materials, you'll find a lot af new things for yourself.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100

Actually, there are NO foreign components in our warplanes.

Oh, well, if our space program is pure disaster then I don't know a proper word to describe other space programs. You know that nobody, except of us and the Chinese, can get a man into space, right?

And that is why exactly?

Oh, that is "Thanks Gorbachov!" and "Thanks Eltsin!" moments.

Actually, you are pretty ignorant not only in Russia's industries but Russia's economy in general. It will lead to a simply cut in imports, that is all. Moreover, I'd advise you to think about how would world look like if even Russia has run out of resources.

Retarded idea from the start. Nuclear powerplants are way cheaper and with new type of reactors our fuel reserves are pretty much endless.
Here, catch:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/БН-800

Более чем 50-кратное увеличение использования добываемого природного урана, и обеспечение атомной энергетики России топливом на длительную перспективу за счёт своего воспроизводства.

We are sooooooo backward, arn't we?

Yeah, doubled our GDP in less than 10 years. Clearly the same type of "disaster" as our space programm.

You actually need to have a trial to accuse him in theft in the first place. Moreover, he did a damn good job in reforming our army. (check-Crimea)

Gosh, can you please stop miserably failing in each sentence?!

Pretty much BS.

 

[MENTION=65053]vis[/MENTION]

Do you understand now a tiny little bit why I think that this "made up thing" about the "fascists" and the "Junta" in Kiev is in my eyes a construction from simple minded people?

You are now the "ukrainian jew who supports the "Junta in Kiev". Does it make bling bling in your mind? I am not saying that there are no fascists in the Ukraine. Swoboda does exist and what is funny (funny is relative) that their leader said in 2012: "all russians, germans (!!!) an jewish must die".

But that is used as an instrument to justifie anything and by that completely overstredged.

It is important to recognize, how such brain washmachine is working. I am amused (forgive me) that we do have an intresting example how such thing is working.

Hey Zarathustra: that post is not adressed to you, you would anyway never understand anything. As you always do write inhere (I laugh)


ahhh the second pro russian funny guy inhere also now will tell you that you are jewish..."KGB agent"

What a kindergarden...high time we do meet in a beergarden with our wives and leave the kindergarden inside that Zoo...

[MENTION=51314]KGB agent[/MENTION]

"It will lead to a simply cut in imports"

hahaha have fun! Than you can cut a lot exept ...gas.....oil...and vodka.

No no...I am now not sarcastic

Russia is a great country but you do not really get the reality. And when I mean it is great, I do mean it. But I am not certain if you understand what I mean...

And the description of your location...

"russia
Location: 13,9 km to the north from Putin"

So funny! Are you 13 years old?

 

Please debate the topic and not each other, refrain from personal remarks and flame baiting.
Also keep in mind rule 1...English only

Thanks
Shangrila
PF Moderator

 

Did you get it, Fabien?




Meanwhile in Deutchestan:

Article about awful Russian mass media for "stupid Germans" trusting the Russian "propaganda". But there is an interesting fact:

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ay-opinion-at-home-and-abroad-a-971971-2.html

Tell me about propaganda now

 

It seems that you live on the moon. I write you not about 90, but about current state. Or the case with Serdukov was in 1990? Or the case with Fobos-grunt? Was it also in 1990? You are lazy to explain because you have no arguments.
By the way, I am now Jew. Wrong guess.

 

Do not be ridiculous, I am half Russian and half Ukranian. But for you it looks like anyone who criticizes politicians in Russia is a jew. Strange logic.

 

So what- you have put a graph which confirms that the birth rate is lower than a death rate
Serdukov-trial? You make me laugh. Noone allow a trial on him, otherwise he will speak too much things that Putin may not like. This is exactly corruption and lack of justice in Russia- to free a man, who made a huge damage to the budget of Russia and put in a jail stupid girls from (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Riot whose damage to Russian society is negligible. So I see, you support corruption in Russia.
Serdukov actually had nothing to do with Army- side person. He was an economist. So I see, he used his education quite "properly" and Putin protected his big ass
And how much money went in nowhere during Skolkovo project?
About nuclear power plants-this is not the argument- cheaper. You know at the time candles were also cheaper than electric bulbs.But about alternative sources of energy better ask Fabien.
When Russia run out of natural resources, other countries will already be independent on Russia- they will produce energy by other means, then gas or oil. We are now very happy that we managed to make a contract with China for gas. But this is not better at all then before. We will depend now on China. We will sell them gas, and then you will in a moment notice that you eat chinese meat and eat their soya products, and drive on chinese cars.
For space programm. Yes, indeed, we still are the best for engines of space aircrafts. But. These are the developments from the times of Soviet Union. This just shows how USSR was powerful in science. Are there people like Korolev, Glushko, Landau, etc in modern Russia? No... The chain in education was broken after USSR collapsed and a lot of people left Russia.
Health care... If you are sick not with a flu, but with something serious- you may directly order a place in the cemetery if you do not have money in your pocket. And this is a reality.
Certainly, there are some technological advances in modern Russia, but it is so miserable compared to what was done in USSR time.

 

Oh, well, your "Good free Soviet education" is so good you can't even read graps. As of late 2013 the birth rate is HIGHER than death rate. We had a natural increase in 2013.

Soo, I see, you have no evidence and all you just said was useless bubling.

I am judging him by facts. During his rule there was a massive increase in army capabilities as well as servicemen life conditions. Again, what kind of evidence do you have?

Meh, research is always like that, it takes years to collect the fruits.

Yeah, but they didn't provide the same quality of lighting. Speaking about electricity, it's quality is always the same. So it is actually you who are making a non-arguments.

Should I post "Пощади, человек-анекдот" once again?

ALL alternative sources are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slapped with efficency of nuclear power.

Who told you that?
And what misterious "other means"? And who told you that we won't be occupiying these sources as well? Speaking about nuclear power we are a №1 nuclear powerplants producer in the world as well as taking part in ITER project. These are the real alternatives to current fossil fuel energetics, not some sissy schoolgirls' windmills.

And I am not even talking about some ordinary truth for a graduate of Russian schooling system like what else they make from fossil fuels....
Do you know how they produce plastic, huh? Pavement?
End of oil is not simly an end to current energeics.

Nope. It is the other way around. We are making both China and EU dependent on US. Now we will be exporting fossil fuels on both markets. That will make us waaaaay more resistent to any kind of sanctions.

Can't see any logic behind that statement, sorry. Please, eleborate.

Wrong again. We are about to launch new family of rockets ("Angara") right now. There are talks on developing new capsule and new heavy lifter as well. If you don't know about people like Korolev, Glushko, Landau it still doesn't mean there are none in existance.

Depending on the ilness. Besides, there are a lot of countries in the world with the same type of problem. USA, for one. Can't see you bashing them for it.

Who are you to compare, again? If you don't know about new stuff it doesn't mean there is no new stuff. Gosh, we are the one of two countries, which can produce friggin 5-th generation fighter!

So, I guess all those ridiculous statements on "no heavy industry" and "no domestically produced planes" are thrown into a trash bin. Am I right?

 

I heard Russians suck at hockey, in fact they're so bad that their own players in the NHL would not risk injury to play with them, that's how bad they suck.