Hundreds of Germans protested Ukrainian fascism, on the occasion of visit to Germany

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  1. Ronstar

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    its very interesting how Putin has tried to scare the Russians and the West that Ukraine is now full of anti-Semites, and yet the only people we hear anti-Semitism from these days are RUSSIANS.
     
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    Ok, to make you happy Russia is now much more advanced in industrial development then Soviet Union, Serdukov is the best defense ministry of all times. There is no corruption in Russia and the nuclear plants is the solution to the energy problems. And of course, there are a lot of people like Landau and Korolev in Russia, but they are hiding and of course they did not take part in Fobos project. You are right, I am wrong. Be happy.
     
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    Ah, forgot to tell, indeed I am very stupid- I can not read graphs. I would say more- I do not understand graphs that does not contain error bars.
     
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    Nice to see you have capitulated. Unfortunatelly I was waiting for more fun. You know, counter-arguments, facts, some logic behind the words instead of useless rants and accusations.
    Apparently, Google search is a mistery to you as well. You know, "Демография России 2013" might make a lot of things easier for you.
    But anyway, have a nice day.
     
  5. Fabien

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    Just to point out one thing:

    "Sissi school girl windmills"

    Germany is a larger economical power than Russia. Fact. And it will stay that way.
    German suceed in economy is an exeption in Europe. Switzerland can be compared, but Switzerland is almost structured the same way as Germany is:

    Dominating in business are 1000 and + small to middle sized hightech companies. We call that Mittelstand.

    That country id deside to change the whole system. To remove all nuclear old powerplants, because that whole conception is from yesterday.

    You migh say: "you are the only one"

    OK. Just because everybody is duing old style we should fellow like sheeps the wrong way? Germans did change since 1945. We do not believe in the "Führer-Prinzip" anymore.

    And I would say in that, we do have balls. Ok ok...our Merkel does not pose like Tarzan or Putin with a gun to impress teenagers like in Russia. She is not elegant. I eaven do not like her. But it does show you something:

    Without loud shouting or aggression, my country simply is trying something and has the technical capacity to manage that! Germany is rather intrested to invest in solutions for real problems than in the finance industry (just bubbles) or gas deals (more bubbles) or drugs (eaven more bubbles) ...

    Why that?

    Fukushima and its costs are enormous. Hey, if you do like your russian land so much, go ahead and destroy it by the nuclear output. Where do you want to stock that stuff? Russia just does put in into the Arctic Sea! Very smart, soon you will be like your fish: you guys will have tree arms or five legs...however...did Chernobyl told you something?

    Also Uranium is not endless. Ask the people who exploit that stuff how they feel with cancor.

    But I go ahead: If you keep on going that way and you will have Germany beeing able to manage the whole energy need by such forms of energy, ask later on a country like let's say Poland if they rather want to use WIND or buy again your or other Uranium (they do not have any as most countries - by accident we do by the way, but we do not use it anymore).

    Maintenance. Do you know the prize for maintenance of a windmill and a nuclear power plant? Compare! Have fun! But be so kind to include the expenses of the deinstallation. Ahhh you did not know...you cannot deinstall a nuclear power plant completely...so what about Chernobyl? All 10 years or however, the cover must be renewed. Great! Forever that game? Seems to me.

    Ah you want to tell me that your technology is so damn modern, that never something can happen. I know. Sure. That was said also by the Soviet Union in the 80ties, but Chernobyl did teach differently. Not that the bill for all what it also did cost US that the Soviet Union caused that accident was never paid and wont ever be payed completely...also that you believe such crap!

    JAPAN is defenetely NOT a 3 world country. But Fukushima did happen. Ok, you can say inhere Russia is such a big country so that you do not care to destroy all 20 years big parts of it by nuclear accidents. That would be a position. But than you can stop to tell inhere that vis should not be so galant to give back teritorry what does not belong to your country.

    Than Russia can give back Königsberg, because as I did mention: we can garantuee that it never will be destroyed by nuclear power plants...so land is uninmportant, give some back please!

    Last but not least about business:

    Latest when Germany in 20 or 30 years will exploit more than 80% from such forms of energy, Germany is fully established as experts in such business. Business does mean money. Small countries do not have (unlike you it seams to me) so much land free to be destroyed forever. Also that fracking in the US..completely stupit - so you see, I do not only pick on Russia here!

    You mentality is concerned about short term profit. You destroy all and than you wonder about what is left: nothing.

    Look to China. Are you aware how destroyed that country is nowdays? Chinese people are more and more. That is why especially german small sized and middle sized companies, but also Siemens for example do change that country. Look on german exports! Look where it is going to and what we sale.

    CHINA!

    Windmills , technology in windmills...also cleanuing water, taking care to solve the cleaning systems for all you can imagine...if the enviroment is destroyed, it does no matter if you are a millionaire. Go to Berlin and compare the quaility of air with such in Volgograd!

    Just do it! You will be amazed about the difference. Not all is fine here. But it is clear: The suceed of the Energiewende will impress the world by facts and that will cause the new continuing german economical championship.

    But keep your arrogant "I know all better like Putin" blabla...become happy with that. You destroy your country (a funny way to show up beeing patriotic...) and we make the business.

    But hey, do me a favour: do not complain later that you will also lose the second war what is not done by arms against us (after you lost the cold war).

    Energy is and will be with drinking water one of the major issues in future economy.

    But you guys believe in Gazprom and Oil... oh my god...

    Good luck.
     
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    Why you look for only a negative? Can you too are blind... or you consider that for 20... years Russia or what other country can construct super economy?
    Into the arms account since 2006 Russia constructed 26 units of Su-35 (the fighter Su-35 is closely approximate to the fighter of the fifth generation)
    PARIS, on March 22. / ITAR-TASS Correspondent Mikhail Timofeyev/. In the space sphere of the USA more depend on Russia, than the Russian Federation from the USA. Such opinion was expressed in interview to Agence France-Presse in Washington by John Logsdon, the American scientist, the member of the NASA Advisory board.
    How many inhabitants of the Soviet Union had the privately owned vehicle? None... (You don't give to me any statistics please)
    Now a lot of youth (even in villages) go by the car. I have all relatives ordinary workers and all have good cars. (the brother the electrician, 5 children - the house - 6 rooms, bought 2 months ago Renault - plants in Russia- for $7 000 - the cousin works as the worker, serves the railroad, one child at them, the wife and it have 2 cars - the house...
    The Navy of Russia took advantage of a complex of the rocket weapon with the intercontinental ballistic missile (IBM) of sea basing "Liner"
    According to open sources, the intercontinental Liner ballistic missile unlike the predecessor of MBR "Blue" can bear more multiple head part. If the head part of "Blue" consists of four fighting blocks, "Liner" can be equipped or ten fighting blocks of a small class of power with means of counteraction of missile defense, or eight fighting blocks of the same class, but with additional opportunities for missile defense overcoming, or four fighting blocks of middle class of power with means of counteraction of missile defense.
    etc.

    ps: if nobody externally stirs Russia in the future and there will be no internal revolutions - throughout tens years its economy will increase many times
     
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    (laughs) Do not need to lie. It is enough that you put a flag country, a stranger for your. I wrote to you - "Russian patriot", separating land Russia is Jewish. Historical fact. This fact, in the history of human development, repeatedly confirmed. I can believe - you half Ukrainian, half Jewish. But the presence of Russian blood in you - this is nonsense. On this, you with admiration posting propaganda nonsense about the "collapse" of Russia. Eg. In every family there are some problems, but the screams about these problems - (forbidden by the moderator). Or the one who benefits from it.
     
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    Merkel was born in Hamburg, formerly West Germany. May be this is a reason why she does not value freedom of speech.
     
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    that russian vis is unlike you a good russian. You talk like a snake. You bite anythink you do not understand. Vis tells his soul and you cannot undertstand nothing, because you are toxic in your mind.

    And what is wrong with beeing jewish? If he is or if not, who cares? You do care I think. That does show your ideas. You hate jewish people. You hate Finland. You hate Ukraine. You hate Germany. You hate all what is not 100% like you? ???

    No. You also hate yourself!

    You must hate yourself, because you want Russia to be hated. You are "happy", when we all hate you. I do not hate russians like vis. This man is cool.

    But russians like you, we get prepared. We will fight you in the winter, in the snow, in the forest and we will beat you up. When the monster is coming, we will win. We get prepared for this day. You will regret.
     
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    What is wrong with being Russian? You hate Russia and you do not want hide it.
     
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    Your sentense is senseless.

    As I would say: you are russian so you must be stupit.

    Completely senseless. Hamburg is cool. Germany our big brother, great country. I am often in Germany. Great democracy, good people.

    When you will again attack us, they will help.

    Learn from Germany. Learn from good russian people who are against Putin. Learn from the peace and from the war. People like you do look for trouble. This is dangerous. Like Putin the fascist.

    Finland will defend itself.
     
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    I do not hate Russia. I do hate russians who cannot differ what belongs to them and what not.

    These russians must be punished. Russia from Putin must be punished. I do not hate russians. I hate the monster. And we do have reason to feel that way. You attacked us.

    Russia has stolen our land like bandits. Fact. East- Karelia was stolen away from us. You never paid the bill. We did not attack Russia. Russia attacked us. Fact. Learn history about the winter war. Russians came like gangsters. But I believe in justice. Also some russians are good people. But people like you want trouble.
     
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    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/02/oboron/

    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/06/amnisty/

    If you do not know that Serdukov was guilty, read the newspapers.
    Only those people who apply for amnesty can get it. And all those who apply, to do that have to recognize they are guilty. In China they would simply hang him on the first tree for stealing so much money. Many people in Russia are disgusted about the corruption and what Serdukov and his companions did.
    I agree with vis also about the population. What I see in the graph is that the overall balance is zero at 2013. And in 1960 it was 16-17 people for 1000. So I would say the ratio is infinity.
    Moreover, I looked the data on the number of people in Russia when USSR collapsed-1991: 148 273 746. In 2013 Russia had just 143 347 059. Looks like one big city has disappeared from the map of Russia.
    About scientists- name please here one modern Russian scientist the same level as Landau or Kapitsa. You can look for a long time a black cat in a black room, especially if it does not exist.
     
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    Holocaust denial is a neo-Nazi doctrine and is a tool to deny the inevitable outcome of anti-Semitism in an attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism so its adherents can enact a second.
     
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    [MENTION=7730]Face[/MENTION]: I do not know where you are coming from. But if you are not german as me, I can simply tell you that the guy you did respond here does indeed not represent my country. He is part of a small group of extrimily right wing outsiders who pretend to think they would have any say. They have not. They are simply ennoying and loud. We, the germans do not like them at all and they do not represent our new Germany.
     
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    Lapista, you are hot anti Russian hater. Putin has overwhelming support in Russia. Despite his deficiencies, he had real accomplishments and Russians are happy with him now. When the country is in jeopardy, democracy goes to the background. Russia is seriously threatened by NATO and EU.
     
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    Do you know about the attack on our soil in 1939? Do you know about that crime? And you dare to tell me such things?

    Putin shall watch its big mouth. And I am not willing whatever you tell me to hate russians. I hate russian nationalists. The solution is a combination of friendship with good russians and defense against the evil like you. I feel solidary with the good russians. They do miss their good fatherland. Nationalists stole that away from these russians. Stealing is their specialty: Karelia, Poland, Baltics and now Crimea and Donbass...discusting.

    The good russians must be supported from the west. We do need an alliance of all people with good ideas. But we fight you back if you attack. And you will lose. Finland is not as weak as you think. You will suffer.

    And this time, we will get back what Russia did steal from us if you attack again.

    We prepare, you force us. We will prepare and you will vomit. Nato bases in Finland are needed I think. Nukes close to your borders. Your hate makes that possible and needed
     
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    Why do you think that I hate the Germans? I love and respect the Germans. Worthy enemy. And a good friend. To finam I also have a positive attitude. Until I read your comment about the monster - Russia. Given that the Finnish economy is highly dependent on Russia. And Russia has always fulfilled its obligations. And always helped Finland in economic and political matters. Hear such comments about Russia from the Finns at least surprising. Ukrainians always live by Russia, now they shout "Russian on knives." What do I love them? Probably, the Finns are the same as the Ukrainians? Jews have done so much harm to my country - nobody beats. Even here on the forum, the Jews only write nasty things about Russia. Why should I love them?
    (laughs) Not tired of writing nonsense? I wrote to you. Enough to turn off gas, and stop supplying forest. Through the half-year, all Finns will sing the national anthem in unison Russia voluntarily. If the Finns would put military infrastructure of NATO, and the conflict will happen - Finns will turn to ashes in a few seconds. Here you could see. http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200903A/index.html or here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.delvillano.radioactivekinetics&hl=ru
     
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    It is up to us and only to us, if we want to become a Nato member.

    You have no say here. And you do forget that Nato also has nukes. I want nukes of the USA in eastern Finland to make clear: do not touch our soil!

    And what on earth is about jews? Jews are cool. They did never declare war on Fiinland. You did.

    Anyway: jews are not a nation. They are a religion. We do have finish jews, russian jews, tunesian jews, german jews...I really think you do not understand what you are talking about.
     
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    Putin has no permission to dictate to other countries as Germany whatever he likes. To touch EU members wont be tolerated, to make that clear once and forever. Eu is not your business. If you intervene in any EU country, that causes WW3.

    So such Putin loving russians should better watch their arrogant mouth. You nationalists are unwanted here! Here is not Kremlin.

    Nato bases to all scandinavian countries are needed. A nuclear defense shild in Poland is wanted. Roll back policy, yeah! Truman was right about the right answer to Stalin.
     
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    Nonsence is what you write here.
     
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    1. (laughs) If you recall the end of the 40s. May 22, 1949 James Forrestal, U.S. Secretary of Defense committed suicide by jumping out of the window shouting "The Russians are coming. They’re right around. I’ve seen Russian soldiers! ".
    2. Other countries in 90s so much dictated by Russia. So, Putin has the right dictate other countries. No less.
    3. NATO - bunch of clowns bureaucrats.
     
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    Of course, for 20 years many things can be done. Atomic bomb in Soviet Union was created for 10 years, only 15 years required after the heavy war to send a first man from the Earth to the space. And this is not comparable with build up of 30 planes. So many good things can be done for 20 years, unless those who rule the country allow stealing the money from the budget.
     

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