Hundreds of Germans protested Ukrainian fascism, on the occasion of visit to Germany

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  1. Fabien

    Fabien New Member

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    Hey vis,

    the more I am reading all such strange postings inhere the more I do have the feeling that some inhere do play to much video games.

    I am stopping, because I am not willing to waste anymore time with such morons who think a nuclear war is our achievement.

    The easist way to me for all:

    Putin resigns
    A democratic elected open minded russian president gets in power
    all borders without visa are open
    Russia later on joins Nato
    Nato takes care to establish windmills and pays me a nice monthly money
    all Russia is occupied by windmills

    cheers
     
  2. Zarathustra

    Zarathustra Banned

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    I will not write you about Stalingrad, or the Brest fortress, about the Kursk Bulge, and even about the storming of the Reichstag. I will not write to you about what Germany reunited thanks to Russia. Because you're not German. Germans are great warriors. Great enemy and a good friend. Real German would never write the nonsense that you wrote.
    If you're interested - read about the defense of the fortress "Osovets." If you want to know what is Russian soldiers. Read. You will not regret.
    This little-known pages of history. http://survincity.com/2010/05/gold-pages-of-russian-history-the-defense-osovets/
     
  3. Fabien

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    Brest was taken by the Wehrmacht, in Stalingrad 300 000 germans did fight against more than a million russians, Kursk time germans had to bring down supply to Italy and stopped all: all together: the second World war was

    1. a crime from my people against your nation
    2. nothing I am proud about

    But that does not change the crimes Russia did to

    1. Poland (Katyn for example)
    2. Baltics
    3. Finnland
    4. Its own people
    5. german women
    6. german civilians from East Germany (that is NOT ex GDR, that is Selesia, Königsberg, Pommerania, Danzig)
    7. War crimes to sink the boat Gustloff in Baltic
    8. Crimes against hungarians, roumanians, czech in 1945 - 1990
    9. all antisemitic progroms. Russians shall apologize to the jews

    So to make it clear: leave your nostalgic house filled with lies. Be russian, be brave and less aggressive.
     
  4. Art_Allm

    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    And if I say that you are a liar, will this be a personal attack?
     
  5. Fabien

    Fabien New Member

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    A liar who calls the one who is telling the truth a liar is simply consequently acting.

    You are very consequent in telling BS.

    To be called beeing a liar from you is an honor, no worry.
     
  6. dreamin'gal

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    USSR did many bad things to Eastern Europe, but it's already the past. Russia doesn't have the power to invade any more. See Putin stopped the action in east Ukraine.
     
  7. Zarathustra

    Zarathustra Banned

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    What you wrote - falsehood.
    Stalingrad.

    Germany
    Army Group "B". For an attack on Stalingrad was allocated the 6th Army (commander - F. Paulus ) . It consisted of 13 divisions , in which there were about 300 thousand people, three thousand guns and mortars , and 500 tanks.
    Support of the Army provided the 4th Air Fleet (commanded by Colonel Wolfram von Richthofen ), which was up to 1,200 aircraft ( fighter aircraft , aimed at Stalingrad , in the initial stage of the battle for the city had about 120 fighters Messerschmitt Bf.109F- 4/G-2 ( domestic sources give different figures , ranging from 100 to 150 ) , plus about 40 obsolete Romanian Bf.109E- 3). plus - troops Italy, Romania, Hungary
    Total on the German side took part in the battle about 2 million soldiers and
    At the end of the battle, the total losses amounted to about 1.5 million people.
    USSR
    Stalingrad Front (commander - Timoshenko , from July 23 - VN Gordov, August 9 , Colonel General AI Eremenko ) . It included the 62th , 63th , 64th , 21th ,28 -th , 38 -th and 57 -th field armies , the 8th Air Army ( Soviet fighter aircraft at the beginning of the battle here numbered 230-240 fighters , mostly Yak- 1) and the Volga Flotilla - 37 divisions, 3 tank corps , 22 brigades , in which there were 547 thousand people , 2200 guns and mortars, 400 tanks , 454 aircraft , bombers 150-200 AFLRO 60 fighters and air defense forces .
    Loss of the Red Army in the Battle of Stalingrad amounted to over 1.1 million people . , 4341 tanks , 2769 aircraft.

    The rest of your statements is the same nonsense.
     
  8. Fabien

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    You do write:


    Loss of the Red Army in the Battle of Stalingrad amounted to over 1.1 million people . , 4341 tanks , 2769 aircraft.

    in which there were 547 thousand people (USSR)


    lol


    Don't you see how unlogic you are?

    So obvouis.

    The Red Army was not at all as strong as the Wehrmacht. No way. But it had far more men and its logistic was easier to handle because it did get lots of help from the USA and also it was closer to the ressources innerside Russia.

    If the Wehrmacht would have had more men or if Hitler would have waited the soviet attack, the Red Army would have had a total defeat. A total one!

    Stalin killed all men with skill in the 30ties, typical stupit communist.

    The Red Army was incompetend and unable to react until the USA did help them with all sort of supplie.

    The general Shukov and Konjew where so damn idiots that they did in 1945 not manage to take Berlin after weeks with millions of men against 30 000 soldiers left.

    On the Seelow highs, they did bomb themselves. In Russia, a human beeings life does count not a lot...

    Without the USA, Russia would have lost the war. You should thank the USA on your kneews.

    God bless the United States. And what do you do now? You really have a strange way to say "thank you" to your saviours.

    Do you know what incompetence is causing?

    Nationalistic unrealistic calculations! Same was with Hitler. He was a complete incompetent unlike his generals like Rommel, Manstein, Guderian...

    They have been excellent militaries and complete idiots according to moral standarts. By moral standarts they should have executed Hitler and stopped that whole catastrophy and stopped the SS. Nothing did happen, complete failure of the german elite.

    You do risk the same with Putin now. The actual russian elite is leading you into a desaster and you nationalistic russians do applaud. So poor.
     
  9. Fabien

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    To make it clear:

    The single russian soldier did fight taff and bravely most times (when he did not rape).

    The problem was and is nationalism. In the Red Army as in the german elite (that time). That did cause arrogance and that makes blind.

    Hitler was a complete incompetent in military and he always did hold his experts - his generals would have won Stalingrad battle or at least not have sacrified the 6 army. But Hitler wasn't rational thinking as Manstein.

    Stalin exactly the same. He and the whole soviet elite as today the whole russian elite: a desaster of brain damaged morons.

    A fast victory but longterms a desaster. Call that "Pyrrus victory".

    The annexion of Crimea will have a price Russia will never able to pay. That will make you suffer. Russia will become a poor country again.


    Putin is still thinking about Stalingrad tactics or tactics of the cold war as the french still used tactics in 1940 as in WW1 so they lost.

    Nowdays the tactics is about economical war and financial battles. Putin did never get that in his nationalistic limited petty bourgois head.

    Russia is losing every day millions and millions...but he thinks "we stay and we win". That will be Russias Stalingrad 2.0 but against them and the troops against are made of Dollars and Euros, not of men.

    But keep on dreaming that all is about bombs and Katjuschas. Install a Katjuscha in your toilet to flush.
     
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    Art is claiming there is no free speech because he is not legally allowed to spread his holocaust denial which in the context of Germany is really just a veil to rehabilitate the image of National Socialism which is justly banned in Germany as its tenants directly violate the German Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
     
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    Putin did not stop. He is acting, just watch. Ukraine will fight by protesting, voting and with arms, if necessary.
     
  12. lera23q

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    Why do you hate Russia so much? So, you watched TV, it said that "Putin is bad, kills pure ukrainian". Right? Will you believe in all that TV says? Don't lose your mind, I'm from East Ukraine. I have never seen russian terrorist here. But I saw "great" ukrainian army, who kill people in Donbass for money.
     
  13. InsidiusDiabol

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    I see there are some papa Lenin, papa Stalin and papa Brezhnev widows here, that still pretend that they are in the cold war during the soviet era, who did and undo as they saw fit according to their wicked and evil designs, whims and intentions at whatever and whoever the cost.

    It still hurts like hell that the glorious, wonderful, utopical, extremely atheist and extremely anti-religious, criminal, murderous, hypocritical, sinister, arsonist, ferocious and predatory, corrupt, corruptive, human-rights rapist, deceiving, lying, phony, false, fraudulent, infamous, tyrannical, oppressive, repressive and genocidal communist soviet empire fell all by itself. No nazis, no fascists, no extreme right and no imperialist yank or NATO armed forces destoyed it in 1991 along with the soviet block, what a pitty, eh? You commies prepared to defend the revolution for 45 years after WW2, for a war that never happened.

    The biggest most glorious murderous, criminal, tyrannical, slavist, corrupt, corruptive, perverted, atheist and fantically anti-religious, genocidal, damn-evil geo-political, geo-economical, geo-military, screw-up of empire in history, The Soviet Empire was a DAMN FRAUD, just like Marxism. That's why it fell. It's a utopical lie!!! And you guys know it, cause it hasn't worked anywere in the world!!! Besides if I’m right, it was the soviets, who started saying things like “We are all equals but there are some more equal than others” or “the government pretends to pay us and we pretend to work”. And before you say China or North Korea, remember that the chinese rule, reign and control with an red iron fist but use a pseudo-capitalist economical system. That's way they lasted so long and North Korea exists only because China give it fresh air and the imperialist yanks feed them, so they don’t all starve to death. After all, North Korea is a useful tool and ally for China...

    The only ones who ever reached this kind of level of wickedness and evilness were Germany and Japan! National-Socialism and Japanese Imperialism was as wicked and evil as Communism! 3 different faces of EVIL. It’s a shame that 2 noble races become bitter enemies in Europe.

    Now, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan are independent and sovereign countries after 1991, even if all marxist lefties (commies, social-democrats, socialists and all that world wide red/redish/pinko legions) still can't accept this.

    Let's not forget that Soviets had a bad habit of depredating it's own population (all done by the Cheka, NKVD, KGB and their infamous Black Marias I think), shooting down international civilian aircrafts, invading soviet block countries (like Hungary and Czechoslovakia), sponsoring, arming, financing communist armed and violent revolutions around the world, killing torturing, mutilating, disappearing, experimenting on at least 4 or 5 times more people than the Nazis. These good doers and human right champions have a very selective and convenient memory.

    Putin and Medvedev are typical old school KGB marxist sovietist (and now eurasianist) criminal troublemaker mobsters, who if not directly involved, were part of or had knowledge of the arrest, torture, murder and disappearance of millions of the soviet compatriots (after all Putin and Medvedev met each other when they were both in the KGB, Putin was a general in the KGB back in the day).

    And that during Putin government a lot of russians journalists and dissidents have been assassinated by the KGB or should I say the FSB during “democracy” in Russia. Same crap different name. No Nazis , nor fascist nor yankees or NATO involved in this.

    Also let’s not forget what Medvedev did when they attack and invaded in the Caucasus region (a cowardly and despicable act of war against a small independent and sovereign country), fighting against a poor, poorly armed and under-defensible country like Georgia, and that no one gave a damn. They were left to fend for themselves against mighty Russia… again no Nazis, fascists, yanks or NATO involved. Shame on the yanks and NATO for not doing anything!!!

    Also, during a long period of time, russian agents of the russian secret service and security service (GRU, FSB) infiltrated Ukraine for years, since there was an agreement between Russia and Ukraine for free passage of citizens of both countries toward both countries. Look how that ended. These agents helped organize and arm the pro-russian ethnic Russians (cause not all ethnic Russians in Ukraine are pro-russian and not all of ethnic russians want to join Russia) to lift arms against the Ukrainian government in eastern Ukraine and Crimea. This was prepared throughout the years and carefully planned by russians and all these traitors who enjoyed a much better life in Ukraine. I mean if life was so bad in Ukraine, why didn’t they just leave and go home to the motherland? Instead of trying to disintegrate Ukraine? Or were and are they following orders from Moscow or Putin, just like communist around the world did during the Stalin era? Again, no Nazis or fascist, or yanks or NATO involved.

    The Ukrainian armed forces have lost choppers, aircrafts, vehicles and men fighting skirmishes against these traitors, villains, bullies, mobsters, warlords, rebel, terrorist and separatist scum aided by russian ground troops and paratroopers using anti-air missiles and heavy artillery. Which is quite strange, since when all these separatist scum have, know and maintain all this high-res gear, heavy weapons and equipment????!!!! Now, again no Nazis, fascists, yanks or NATO involved. Shame on the yanks and NATO for watching and not doing enough!!! Economical sanctions are not enough!

    Also one of the main problems during this conflict was that more than 60000 (maybe more) russian ground troops were stationed near the border of Ukraine and Russia like if they were ready to invade, and Putin refused to move them for some time until they moved them further away from the border but no far enough. And also all the rebel scum receive from Russia more light weapons, heavy weapons, and artillery both AA and AT, armoured vehicles, trucks, mortars and tanks. And most importantly, they get intel from Russia and the Russian Air Force makes some raids in Ukraine too. And you know what? No Nazis, fascists, yanks or NATO involved. Shame on the yanks and NATO for watching and not doing enough!!!

    Actually in the last week a russian fighter shot down a ukrainian SU-25 with an air-to-air missile who was attacking a rebel village. The catch was this rebel village was in Russia! Supposedly Russia or better, Putin isn’t aiding directly these terrorists. Also, one ukrainian cargo aircraft was shot down, according to ukrainian Security Service, from russian soil, adding that russians are directly involved in the shooting down of ukrainian aircrafts and they have unconditional evidence of this. The guy’s name is Valentyn Nalyvaichenko by the way… Strangely the terrorists claim they shot down every aircraft… And guess what? Again, no Nazis, fascists, yanks or NATO involved. Shame on the yanks and NATO for watching and not doing enough!!!

    Oh yeah, and this unfortunate incident or better this SCREW UP and deliberate murder of everyone in the Malaysian Airlines aircraft shot down (everything indicates that was these pro-russian separatist and terrorists of New Russia), of which, naturally, these mobsters say was the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which is hilarious cause if there is one party in all this messy conflict (which Putin started) who wants no trouble with Russia and the International community IS UKRAINE. A screw up of this size and kind would be the last thing Ukraine would want. Ukraine has opened to the West and everything they say and do can be verified, unlike Russia and the terrorists in New Russia. They’re closed like a shell. That’s why they have no credibility.

    Also these terrorists have shot down, in the last week, aided by russian forces or by russian weapons brought in land from russian stock the Malaysian Airlines Aircraft. Now, Putin denies that it was Russia who shot down the, which is possible because although Putin is a bluffer, liar and phony, international criminal, murderer, international troublemaker and a pseudo-dictator, he is not STUPID. He knows he COULD NOT get away with something like that and the consequences would by dire for not just him and his government but for all of Russia. But! he did not confirm or deny that russian assistance was used to do this criminal atrocity nor that it was the rebels who did it. No Nazis, fascists, yanks or NATO involved. Shame on the yanks and NATO for watching and not doing enough!!!

    It’s well known that after the crash of the Malaysian Airlines Aircraft, rebels swarmed toward “Ground Zero” and started to alter the crime scene. Ukrainians say that these terrorists are taking parts of the fuselage to Russia and of taking 38 bodies to Donetsk (according to them for sanitarian reasons!). Also, people are looting the wreckage, stealing from the dead anything of value to them, and the rebels just watch and allow it! Plus, international observers and experts from Europe can barely do their jobs, cause they are being constantly harassed and intimidated by these terrorists (many of them wearing hoodies) that decide what, who, when and how these people can do their job. Also the area was never secured and the atmosphere is incredibly tense…
    Although many aircraft of other asian and european airlines avoided the air space of eastern Ukraine, according to the International Civil Aviation Organization, that same area, over 8km of height was “SAFE”. So that’s why the MH17 of Malaysian Airlines flew over the war-zone. Supposedly, there would be no problems there at that height…

    Papa Putin still blames Ukraine for this conflict but anyone with half a brain in their skull knows that’s a FRICKEN STINKY LIE. It wasn’t Ukraine who organized and planned this mess for years. It wasn’t Ukraine who raised entire provinces in Russia and annexed one of them. It wasn’t Ukraine who trained, financed, supported and armed these separatist terrorists. Or even had the nerve to show the country’s president signing the official annexation of Crimea to the whole world… Now did they?

    In Crimea, after the annexation, it is well known that almost nothing works, for example, shortage of all kind of products (like replacement parts for all the industry), all kinds of services, (like bank services of all kind), legal problems of all kind (because ukrainian laws do not match necessarily russian laws), the standards by which production, manufacturing and maintenance also don’t always match, products, substitutes and replacements rarely arrive in time and at a much higher prices than before! Also professional titles do not escape the legal problems, since every ukrainian professional title is now invalid and not worth a damn. In addition to this, russians coming from Russia with legitimate russian papers are reeking havoc within the working force cause these newcomers are preferred over the locals. Plus 100% of drinking and irrigation water comes from Ukraine and over 70% of electricity. The water problem has no solution and the electricity will take huge investment and years to be fixed. And the idea was to eventually replace all ukrainian elements in the production systems in Crimea and to russify the province…

    Many pro-russians even said they REGRET having supported this annexation. Many are immigrating to what’s left of Ukraine, including tatars, ukrainians and many ethnic russians. The Tatar communites are in direct conflict with the new crimean russian authorities. A lot of oppression and repression is going on in Crimea right now, especially against the tatars who wished to separate from the “russian Crimea” whose petition was rejected. Also they cannot manifest in any way against this fraudulent elected government (who everyone knows the election was quite fraudulent because), cause they are beaten, imprisoned and many times threatened with no end in sight…

    Papa Putin and all his henchmen started a new crusade to build a new empire, bigger than the old soviet union, called the Eurasian Union, of which Ukraine was a fundamental part of. Not to mention Russia and Ukraine had economical dependencies from one another and that a some of the Russian war machine depends on certain and specific amount of tech, manufacturing power and know how that Russia does NOT have for some reason. That’s why Putin first annexed Crimea to Russia, and now started making serious trouble in eastern and southern Ukraine, with lots of blood from both sides, cause if Putin had not authorize such insanity, NOTHING would have happened in the first place. The one who starts has more blood in his hands and is by far more guilty, or completely guilty in some cases!

    Oh yeah, papa PUTIN DOES NOT EQUAL papa HITLER!!!!! They simply are different ideologies. Hitler was NS and Putin is a communist and eurasianist. Each would be an abomination to the other. Besides Putin is of Slavic race and according to NS doctrine slavs are Untermensch or infrahumans along with many others. Although there are neo-nazis in all the world as a response to the aggressions of free-masonry, gay political agenda (and I said Gay political agenda, not gays), all the left wing and traditional right wing, economic and politic globalization. Sadly many Jews businessmen along with arab and international businessmen from all the world belong to this conglomerate that has proven just as evil as NS, Japanese Imperialism and all forms of Marxism (they’re only different kinds of evil).

    Don’t get me wrong, I do NOT hate Russia or the russians, on the contrary I like them a lot and fell very sad and sorry for them. Most Russians are good, noble and decent people. It’s russian ultra-nationalism mixed with this Eurasianism I hate. It’s people like Putin and Medvedev who fire the flames of a false nationalism (or ultra-nationalism in this case) that I hate. Nothing good ever comes with fanatism in the end. History proves this. 

    Just saying guys…


    Peace and Love… ;D
     
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