If Machine Guns are illegal

Somebody has done their research and knows what they are talking about.

Weapon types used in mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and 2017


https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

 

And that is only in "MASS SHOOTINGS" which account for a TINY 1% of all homicides by firearms in the united states.

The graph below shows all homicides and "other guns" is so small and spread out that they had to put them all together. If you do assault weapons, it is 5% of handgun totals, shotguns 10% and other firearms even smaller. So they group them together and it is STILL less thatn 25% of the total deaths being from AR-15 type weapons.

Yet THAT is what the media and partisan Lefties go on about? It makes it such an obvious lie, why would I care or respect anything they say after lying to our faces like that? The newest thing of having children go around the country and try to gin up hatred amongst the American people makes me absolutely sick. Other countries now see how pathetic our media is and are trying to benefit off divide and conquer from the partisan Americans. China, Russia and Iran keep going on and on about how horrible guns are in the US based on MEDIA NUMBERS. And the media is full of it, badly.



While this only goes to 2004, gun violence has been shown to continue to drop all the way to 2010. In 2011 there was a spike and it is COMPLETELY because the Media is pushing for it and trying to stir up more and more hatred. The media is flat out evil and should be avoided at all costs.

 

Well the answer is: machine guns aren't illegal.

 

It means that people are bothered by mass shootings and will vote that way, which will influence politics in the long (but probably not short) term. Whether it is rational to do so is besides the point because the voting is all that will matter.

I don't waste time watching the media. What I stated above was my perspective of politics in the US having spent 4 plus decades studying and watching it

I really get tired of people blaming the media for everything.

 

This varies with the state.

 

I know, some state have unofficially succeeded from the Union and no longer recognize the U.S. Constitution and federal laws.

California comes to mind.

 

Well those are three different things you're talking about.

First of all, it's kind of a logical fallacy to compare the first and third items to a machine gun. In the case of #3 (and I'm sure this has already been talked about endlessly somewhere in this forum already), these magazines could easily be modified. There's been countless arguments made about how futile this would be to attempt to limit it (the time to change it would probably be negligible for example).

In the case of #2, I don't think it would be an issue if you wanted to ban the sale, but you'd basically want to be attaching severe criminal penalties to what is basically just a piece of plastic, a crude copy of which could easily be made in China for a nickel. That's something you should really think about.
You say "let's ban this" (which is reasonable), but then when it comes time to drafting the actual law you go completely insane.
I don't believe you should be sending people to prison because a piece of plastic was found somewhere associated together with their other property (which I'm pretty sure is ultimately what your proposal would be here).

 

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The sad part is that you and people like you are going to loss the 2 amendment and most gun rights for all of us by not being reasonable about dealing with a few rifles models that are design to allow mass murder and are being use for mass murder around the nation.

Yes indeed people do get emotional when one nut after another have used assault rifles on the public with special note of when they are used on children.

I also really love the fact that this last shooter is of an age where he could not buy a can of beer but could get his hands of the means to kill 17 persons.

An it people like you wish to block any steps to limit the harm of these weapons can do are the ones who are going cause the ends of guns rights in this nation.

I would hate to have my 357 S&W that been with me for over thirty years or my great uncle 12 gauge shotgun or any of my other firearms taken due to people such as yourself making owning any kind of firearm an evil and no longer acceptable.

I also been trying to picture a civil self defense situation that would call for having rifles with large magazines to deal with it without luck.

Spraying and praying large numbers of rounds down range is not normally useful in self defense situations and is also unlikely to made your neighbors for a few blocks around happy.

 

Keep thinking that those words are going to keep allowing nuts to do mass murders around the nation with assault rifles with special note of children.

 

Rep.Nancy Pelosi is already on record saying that by passing any gun legislation is the beginning of the "slippery slope" leading to banning all private gun ownership.

Just like gun registration.

Step # 1. gun registration.

Step #2. gun confiscation.

It's how it has always worked in the past.

 

Oh please , gun grabbers love a good tragedy .

 

Fine.

They're legal at the Federal level and in 40 states I think.

 

Yes because if they confiscate every AR15 in the country there will never be another mass shooting.

You could easily kill that many people with a handgun. Ask the VT shooter.

 

No they have a different understanding of the constitution one shared by all courts including the present one which doesn't see the 2nd amendment as requiring no gun regulations be allowed.

The present court in fact specifically stated they were allowed under the 2nd amendment.

 

Compromise is unlikely when you most voters agree with you. The problem for those who oppose all gun regulation is that increasingly most Americans don't agree with them. The new left was just as deluded in trends in public opinion in the late seventies.

 

He said legally own. The guns used in LA were SKS rifles illegally converted to full auto.

 

The AK-74 shoots the 5.45×39mm round, not very popular in the US. The AK-47's sold in the US are semi-auto versions. It and the SKS shoot the 7.62×39mm round which is fine for deer sized game.

 

We had a tactical rifle ban and large magazine ban decades ago. It didn't work. So, in 1994 congress reversed the ban after a justice department study showed that it provided to benefit to the country. I understand the emotional appeal of such bans but, like prohibition, they didn't produce the intended result.

It is true that personal sales (sales between private citizens) do not require a background check. Banning that would simply create a black market to feed the needs of criminals. There are illegal drugs and nothing government does is able to stop it. Laws don't apply to criminals. Taking freedoms away from law abiding people doesn't fix the problem.
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Guns really aren't the problem or the solution. People are. Since I have lived long enough to go through times without all the gun laws we have today but no school shootings, I believe the problem revolves around mental health and the internet social media that provides a place for potential shooters to discuss school shootings. In the old days we used to commit these people to mental health institutions. We didn't give them assistance in achieving their goals. We have a broken culture. It would make great sense to me to solve the issues surrounding the shooters. Chasing gun laws won't really help, in my view.

 

So that you understand, neither you nor I can order these. Machine gun licenses are issued by federal government based on application, background check and payment of a fee. They also require that they be shipped to a dealer with a special license to sell this type of product.

 

Once again you do not address my point just keep going guns guns guns. Your opinion is useless a wall of text that only makes you sleep better.

Any rational person that reads our thread will know your opinion is completely without merit, unsupported by anything other than your personal fantasies.

Because I debunked every single thing you said.

You also don't tell the truth. That is another progressive leftist nasty habit. Infer what you want then create your own narrative. You stated:

An it people like you wish to block any steps to limit the harm of these weapons can do are the ones who are going cause the ends of guns rights in this nation.

See that? and save me your drivvle about your grandaddies shotgun. See that above? Is you assuming I do not support anything being done about the harm these weapons do. That is not true and I'd like to know what makes you think your opinion alone unsubstantiated by anything has the right to assume anything?

I am for the record in full support of Governor Scott's and FLs gun access legislation that is unique and being worked on right now.

Seriously give it up. Your opinion here from an argument standpoint literally looks like a full on joke.

You opinion is not rational, fear mongering, deflecting, unsupported and debunked. All that's left are your personal feelings and fantasy. Serious. Pure fantasy. Of a socialist opinion.

Look here this is you :

by not being reasonable about dealing with a few rifles models that are design to allow mass murder and are being use for mass murder around the nation.

again its not a few weapons, no they are not designed for mass murder anywhere. This was already debunked in this thread. But since you have nothing valid you are copy pasting a leftist talking point. Doesn't matter if it't not true

If you don't like any of this then MAN GO VOTE

Oh wait leftists did based on platforms like yours and can't even order a pizza unless they get permission in Congress.

So leftists like you even though your the minority still think you know whats BEST so let's sensationalize mass murder and exploit children dying to try and effect changes that are not needed or wanted by the majority

So that's. that

 

Prove it...using ONLY links to factual data/statistics from unbiased sources.

Otherwise, your statement is totally baseless in fact.

 

Machine gun ownership is not illegal.

 

I already did. This source here is an analysis and data compiled itself from 20 different sources. All listed. I use this one alot because of the never ending rubbish of leftists pointing to the UKs gun laws as a model.

It's a long read and even longer if you check out the sources to the view point this guy makes.

I have dozens of these kinds of links.

I'm seriously open minded but when guys like this OP are reduced to telling us his feelings, then can't counter a single thing I assert with a fact.. I mean as a rational human what am I supposed to think?

I don't own an AR-15, I'm just trying to 1. Defend the 2A, and 2. Try to get people smarter than me talking about what we as both liberals and conservatives can do to lower the threshold of violence in our country.

All this gun talk is wasted political jibber jabber. when we could be talking about the cultural society disease of violence that's taken hold of the entire West.

I swear on my life that's what I think and my views can be proven. Gun hate can not. That's a personal choice only.


http://igeek.com/w/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder

 

Your comments on this are totally irrelevant to me - I did not read them. I already know your opinion on this.

I am only interested in unbiased stats/data.

That proves nothing about culture. America and the U.K. are not just made up of one culture each and/or mutually exclusive cultures per country. Every country has numerous, hundreds/thousands of sub-cultures within it.

You typed:

'No. violence is cultural. All of it. Big and small'

Your link only talks about the U.S. vs. the U.K. You said 'all of it' That means all violence all over the world.

I will ask you one last time...you made a matter of fact statement: ''No. violence is cultural. All of it. Big and small'

Prove it using ONLY links to unbiased factual/data or your point is baseless in fact.

 

The Second Amendment allows the keeping and bearing of firearms (I termed it in such a repugnant manner for you Statists).
In all actuality, it does not prohibit the possession of AR-15s, AR-14s, etc. The SA guarantees that the people keep and bear arms because the people are supposed to be the ultimate limit of of government and tyrannical imposition upon the same.