FoxHastings said: ↑ That doesn't HAVE to justify abortion. The right to bodily autonomy justifies the right to abortion... Well, that's your opinion and it's obviously based on nothing since you can't show why it's "nonsense"... Don't you believe in bodily autonomy? So you think someone can force you to give them your heart or kidney to sustain their life?
No, it isn't born yet so it has no rights. You cannot prove it has rights....because it doesn't... IF it had the rights of born persons the woman could abort it anyway since NO one can use another's body to sustain their life. No one can harm another without their permission. So even if the world went nuts and declared ZEFs "persons with rights" the woman's rights would simply override them and abortion would go on ... Have you taken your case to the Supreme Court yet WHY didn't you answer these questions: Don't you believe in bodily autonomy? So you think someone can force you to give them your heart or kidney to sustain their life?
You cannot prove anyone has rights. We accept that people have rights because it is the only way in which a just society can function and in order for that society to function well all people in it must share equally in the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if they do not then that society is no longer just.
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, it isn't born yet so it has no rights. You cannot prove it has rights....because it doesn't... IF it had the rights of born persons the woman could abort it anyway since NO one can use another's body to sustain their life. No one can harm another without their permission. So even if the world went nuts and declared ZEFs "persons with rights" the woman's rights would simply override them and abortion would go on ... Have you taken your case to the Supreme Court yet WHY didn't you answer these questions: Don't you believe in bodily autonomy? So you think someone can force you to give them your heart or kidney to sustain their life? Once again, you ignore the content of my post and duck the questions... Yes, we can prove PEOPLE have rights....if you don't think so, try to take them away….
FoxHastings said: ↑ "Those people" have tried peaceful methods for a century....some worked but here, now , in the 21st century there are STILL people who call them "those people". There are still people who kill them because they can. There are still people who lump them altogether as "those people". There are still people who denigrate them no matter what they do. There are those who sit at their computer and pontificate and actually presume to know the situation even if they have never lived it. If one doesn't get killed from a traffic stop , if one has free choice of housing, if one has equal job opportunities, then one probably doesn't give a rat's patoot if the "respect" is real or not... Did you think all blacks are yearning for whitey's "respect" ????? No, just being treated equally and fairly under the law. You can't seem to get things straight, so why bother- lost cause trying to help. If you understood the concepts of civility, maturity and responsibility, history, empathy, complicated issues, and anything that didn't happen to you... - no explanation would be necessary. Because you are so far from understanding, no explanation is possible. You seem at a loss for words
Sorry you didn't make a viable proof of anything you simply alleged that for the sake of your own convenience that a child in the womb isn't human and therefore doesn't deserve rights. That argument sucked when Hitler used it against Jews, it sucked when the Klan used it against African Americans and it still sucks when you use it against the unborn.
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, it isn't born yet so it has no rights. You cannot prove it has rights....because it doesn't... IF it had the rights of born persons the woman could abort it anyway since NO one can use another's body to sustain their life. No one can harm another without their permission. So even if the world went nuts and declared ZEFs "persons with rights" the woman's rights would simply override them and abortion would go on ... Have you taken your case to the Supreme Court yet WHY didn't you answer these questions: Don't you believe in bodily autonomy? So you think someone can force you to give them your heart or kidney to sustain their life? Once again, you ignore the content of my post and duck the questions... Yes, we can prove PEOPLE have rights....if you don't think so, try to take them away…. SHOW EXACTLY WHERE I SAID A ZEF WAS NOT HUMAN....YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I NEVER DID ...WHICH MEANS YOU ARE L---- I also NEVER said whether it deserved rights or not.... WHY ARE YOU MAKING UP STUFF AND PRETENDING I SAID IT? . LOL! There's the "Hitler" reference indicating that you have no good factual argument. BUT THEN THAT WAS OBVIOUS SINCE YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESSED ANYTHING WRITTEN IN MY POSTS OR ANSWERED ANY OF THOSE INCONVENIENT QUESTIONS.
No, you seem to be at a loss to understand them. "Did you think all blacks are yearning for whitey's "respect" ?????" No. I think there are some excellent black people that are proud to be Americans and an equal part of a good society, and we are proud of them- and unfortunately, some who have no respect for themselves as well as the nation or anybody else. Those who don't earn respect aren't going to get respect, nor will they get anything else they think they are entitled to. If they are unable to abide by the law, they may well be shot or imprisoned; and I approve of that- it's called law and order. IF blacks were being treated fairly under the law- more of them would be. Cutting them slack, giving them racial exemptions from responsibility has proven to be worthless and harmful. There are some real racial issue that remain- but you aren't talking about those. Haven't decided if you are black or just think you are black. Makes no difference to me- a good man is a good man and racist is a racist regardless of color, just as a thug is a thug. I have no use for any who are not good men, and if they are stupid enough to turn to violence, their lives don't matter because they made it so- and that is their choice. Trash is trash. YOU chose what you will be. All lives matter- just in different ways. I enjoy watching butterflies, but I don't hesitate to destroy mosquitoes. Of course, those things don't have a choice of their role in life. YOU do.
So now you allege that a child in the womb has right but you can strip it if it's most important right the right to life at whim. You sir have yet to make a coherent argument. In short I bet you were a dodge ball champ when you were a kid. People's rights are taken away by governments with frequency. Try standing in Tianemen Squarr and yelling Zhi is a murdering bastard. See how long it takes them to violate your free speech rights.
WHAT TF !!!! "We" ( the royal "we" ?) are proud of them ??! As if they are things ! Trophies!??? My , how you dehumanize them. ...all about black people …. why don't you apply that equally to whites( oh , ya, you'll protest you do but so far all your judgement has been on black people)
And there are people in hospitals that can't survive without a respirator and others walking about that can't survive with out portable oxygen generators dies that give you the right to kill them at your convenience?
NOPE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER. YOU have to make things up so you have any sort of argument but making things up is no argument at all. DUH, it has NO rights to strip. Yes, I have made good arguments ...it's just that you can't refute a thing without MAKING THINGS UP. So now we're in China?????? Great DODGE...
I do not believe that people should live their last days on machines. That is more for the loved ones who cannot let go. Again, as I've stated several times in this thread...unless you are willing to "stand in the gap" for the often abused and/or neglected children that were brought in the world because of the crazed rantings of people that cannot mind their own business; stand down.
The argument of a small, angry child deprived of his entitlement, a victim of the evil grown ups. Go away- far away, all alone. Make it a quest, a test of self without excuses. Try facing life without excuses or props, and when you can master it on your own, perhaps rational discussion will be a possibility. After I see you can do that, I will take you off the ignore list.
More dodging and circular logic. Either the child in the womb has right or it does not. If it has rights you cannot kill it without due process. If it has no rights then it must be less than human. You cannot have it both ways.
I have an adopted daughter. Again that child abuse and neglect is not a reason for abortion. Abortion merely gives aid and comfort to those who do hideous things to children. People minding there own business often times gives cover to the abuser.
How does that pertain to this conversation? I never said that abuse and neglect are the reasons for abortion. I said that many people who are forced into having a child they don't want are at risk of abusing and/or neglecting their child/ren. I'm unclear on what this means. Can you clarify it, please?
NOPE, but NO one is obligated to use their body, or any parts of it, to sustain their lives. MACHINES are what keep them surviving.
FoxHastings said: ↑ NOPE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER. YOU have to make things up so you have any sort of argument but making things up is no argument at all. DUH, it has NO rights to strip. Yes, I have made good arguments ...it's just that you can't refute a thing without MAKING THINGS UP. So now we're in China?????? Great DODGE... No dodging as the post of mine you quoted proves. Just because you can't understand it doesn't make it "circular". . I CLEARLY stated in the post YOU QUOTED that a fetus has no rights. I don't want it both ways. A fetus has no rights.....that doesn't make it less "human".....it is still a human fetus... IF it had rights the woman's rights override it...but it does NOT have rights.
FoxHastings said: ↑ WHAT TF !!!! "We" ( the royal "we" ?) are proud of them ??! As if they are things ! Trophies!??? My , how you dehumanize them. ...all about black people …. why don't you apply that equally to whites( oh , ya, you'll protest you do but so far all your judgement has been on black people) Oh, the "Wise Teacher" has no answers....just insults...the sign of a child in a tantrum...
Totally irrelevant. Uh, duh, how do they do hideous things to children if they aborted them ?????????????
