Is a new America civil war inevitable and unstopable at this point?

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  1. wist43

    wist43 Banned

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    How about the case of Mike and Chantell Sackett, the Idaho couple who have been terrorized by the EPA??

    http://epaabuse.com/4094/news/epa-terrorizes-couple-–-case-reaches-u-s-supreme-court/

    Six years ago, the couple bought a 0.63 acre parcel alongside a lake, intending to build a house. They started construction, and – like any number of individuals (as opposed to developers) building homes – they didn’t do a formal wetlands delineation before starting to move earth and dump gravel. (A “wetlands delineation” is the investigative process by which experts decide whether there is a wetland on site on not.)

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    The EPA ordered them to stop construction and to return the 0.63 acre site to its original condition. If they didn’t, the EPA said it could fine the couple up to $37,500 per day for non-compliance.


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    http://www.pacificlegal.org/Page.aspx?pid=616

    Summary:
    In an unanimous opinion, the Supreme Court rules that landowners have a right to direct, meaningful judicial review if the EPA effectively seizes control of their property by declaring it to be "wetlands." The Court rules in favor of PLF clients Mike and Chantell Sackett, of Priest Lake, Idaho, who were told by EPA -- and by the Ninth Circuit -- that they could not get direct court review of EPA's claim that their two-thirds of an acre parcel is "wetlands" and that they must obey a detailed and intrusive EPA "compliance" order, or be hit with fines of up to $75,000 per day.

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    Fortunately, the SC ruled unanamously, and correctly (a rarity), that the EPA did not act properly.

    A truly correct ruling would have ended with the public execution of all the EPA officials and the judges who disgrace the bench on the U.S. Ninth Circuit.
     
  2. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    I don't really believe in sin but, yes, slavery is a sin or at least a crime against humanity. And I believe the slave owners KNEW it, they just couldn't make a buck picking cotton themselves. Making a buck is where the rubber meets the road.
     
  3. CaptainAngryPants

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    I'm sure Texans love sodomy, but it's illegal there so I guess they just have to settle for sodomizing livestock.
     
  4. Gatewood

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    Well . . . variety is, after all, the spice of life.
     
  5. smevins

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    No I do not agree. Americans are lazy.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    If Americans are Lazy then why is the American Worker ranked #1 in the World in Productivity?

    AboveAlpha
     
  7. Bluespade

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    I eat everything I shoot, It's called hunting.
     
  8. smevins

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    Because we have computers and faster machines to do our work for us. We are even so lazy we had to invent drones because we are too lazy to fly a plane. We will revert back into tree sloths first too.
     
  9. danielpalos

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    why do you believe that? we really, just don't believe in having to muster up a third world work ethic in a first world economy where even corporate welfare pays out multimillion dollar bonuses.
     
  10. smevins

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    But people will muster up to corporate America to provide their food since they are buying more house than land to support themselves with. When people move from the farm, they moved to a proverbial company town. There are just more companies these day, but the same result.
     
  11. cupid dave

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    It will be a take over maybe by coup d'état when Obama leaves office and returns to "rabble rousing Community Organizing".

    He said that, "being president taught him one thing, that the System can not be changed from within."

    Since he wants change and has made a much as possible in many ways, but wants more, he will use the ready servants of the "Brown"-shirts in the inner city, (thugs, 30 million strong), to line up with the Public Unions who are The Government and the people who actually receive our Tax dollars.
    Together, with the Liberal Media, we shall see the congressional Grid Lock become the reason for a take over.

    In Germany, 1933, the same groups came together, the same way, and used the same reasons for emergency "temporary" powers to step in.

    The exact same force were at work then as today.
    The Feminist had become empowered and utilized a Political Correctness to weld virtual rules of conduct for men, who had become reduced to girlie-men by the dominance in the household of the women who would not otherwise have chosen them as husbands.

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    The right needs to talk more bout Racism.

    Bill O'Reily started to do so, but since two weeks ago, he seems to have dropped the subject.

    White Americans are not racists.
    The are aware of the realities in the black community.

    They wisely avoid that part of towns and cities because they are dangerous.
    They know that 70% of all black youth have criminal records, been arrested, are on parole, in prison, just out of prison, etc, (hence all black men who have managed to grow older, too).
    These white people prefer not to consort with criminals nor be around as potential criminal, either.
    This what blacks notice as people suddenly lock all the cars doors as a couple of black youth approach the intersection.

    Black notice shop keepers watching them down the aisles.
    They recognize what they incorrectly interpret as racial bias when it is actually criminal bias reasonably utilized for self protection.
     
  13. VanishingPoint

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    This post dances around all the more pressing issues. What dreck! Personally, who gives a rat azz about white fear? The real questions are WHY, WHY, WHY and HOW TO FIX IT?
     
  14. danielpalos

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    You make it seem like we don't have a federal Congress to promote the general welfare, with an official Mint at their disposal.
     
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    oh yes. This would be the same congress that helps to send millions of jobs overseas in the name of the general welfare that you rely upon?
     
  16. danielpalos

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    even citizens of foreign States are welcome to chide our elected representatives to muster enough morals to actually bear true witness to our own laws.
     
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    I think people who start threads about Americans killing other Americans, secretly hope for it to happen, even thought they're not brave enough to come out and publicly state that's what they want due to how truly moronic the notion is.

    I'm also sure it's safe to say that these very same people haven't experienced the horrors of war. Further more, this country has been thru bitter political division before, and only once has it tragically resulted in civil war. I greatly disagree with my countrymen over political issues,and the directions of our country, but I'd never take up arms and fight them over politics.

    Some of you keyboard commandos need to step away from the pc, and get a grip.
     
  18. frodly

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    No, the nonsensical identity politics whichdivide people are simply useful to the very powerful, as tools to maintain their power. They need to maintain the illusion of choice for people, so mainstream political discourse plays up differences which don't actually matter all that much to our daily lives. Do you want gay people to get married? Should a woman you never met have a medical procedure you are morally opposed to? Should a courthouse have a statue with some biblical passage on it? Should we say happy holidays or merry Christmas? Aren't you sick of those brown people stealing your jobs (despite the fact it wasn't actually your job or the job of anyone else you knew)? Aren't you sick of having to work hard while black people get a free ride? Or alternatively, aren't you sick of all the racist rednecks?

    It is all a game, but a game carefully managed by elite interests who control the mainstream political discourse (almost all of the mainstream media is owned by 5 giant multinational corporations). Civil war threatens their interests. So if things seem to be getting out of control, then the rhetoric will be dialed back.
     
  19. odinseye

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    I think there are racists on both sides of the coin. The main problem that is going to lead to another civil war is not the north and south but the division between classes. The big rich have started to hire paramilitary security forces. They are buying political power. We allow out leaders to attend secret seminars given by two brothers who have enough money to start their own country. We have people outside of our government to influence decisions by requiring pledges to be signed by government officials. There should not be any pledge that our leaders follow but the interest of the people. The 99% are the ones that pay their wage while they are in office. The one percent of our society wants to rule with an iron fist. This is what I will fight. No matter what the 1% buys to make our laws or keep the peoples business from being taken care of. Ted Cruz is a potential dictator. He was not born in the USA to two Citizens at the time. Cruzes father is a potential leak in national security. By the way, white people steal more than any black man, Bernie Maddoff comes to mind along with Bear Sterns, Goldman Sacks, Chase bank, and the mentioned oil companies, Koch Brothers, and others. If you want to live under a king, go ahead and support this corrupt system, My vote is what should count and I will not allow it to be taken away.
     
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    That is why we should not allow foreign entity's such as that crook Rupert Murdock to be able to buy our news services. It gives foreign interests to much say.
     
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    It saves lives and doesn't give an enemy the opportunity to create a hostage situation if a pilot has to punch out. There are still pilots flying the drones but they are doing it from a different location
     
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    Many of these games teach battle tactics. It would not be a long reach to find they transfer well into actual battle.
     
  23. CaptainAngryPants

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    I agree that people need to get a grip, there are a lot of fantasy scenarios out there these days. However that doesn't really address the fact that the founding fathers seem to have left us a Constitution open to interpretation. The possibilities for a constitutional crisis remain. I wonder how the federal government would react if Wyoming were to vote for secession?
     
  24. danielpalos

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    Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land; it is only the extreme latitudes of construction that provide for potential crises, but on a for profit basis in many cases.
     
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    They wrote a constitution that left fundamental issues like slavery unresolved, leading to civil war.
     

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