Is Zimmy Going To Get Beat Up?

maybe you should concentrate more on finding out the facts of the case, and less on what you think my position is.

 

Of course!, and a normal person would call that an "opinion", and as long as I didn't use that opinion as a jury member, there isn't anything wrong with that. Using all that pseudo intellectual verbose crap to describe an opinon doesn't make it wrong to have one either.

Not touching that red herring.

You're putting word into my mouth. I hold Martin responsible for not going home, and not running away. So your glaring clarity is just a halucination.

You're putting words in my mouth again. I support the verdict from the trial, and still have my right to an "opinion"

 

Did you miss the question mark? And yes while not concentrated, have been reading some about the about the court proceedings, which has been pretty sparse, awaiting the evidence which hasn't established much as to exactly how threatened he was and whether it was justified. Right now I would say the scales are tipped against him.

 

Yes your conclusion which is based on emotion.

As a jury member you are asked to render your opinion, the point being it should be based entirely on the evidence presented not emotions.

Oh never said wrong to have an opinion this is about what it is based upon.

You put up yours first.

No I'm not, and he did go home after running away, I'm talking about holding him responsbile for going back to confront Zimmerman and then physically assaulting him as the evidence as presented in court clearly showed.

Hardly, you said

So again, if you accept the facts and the overwhelming evidence and the truth as proven in court you are a racist and only if you believe made up nonsense you aren't. Gothca!

But if if did, and Zimmerman had ended up dead or in a coma and Martin alive you wouldn't be happy, so are you thankful he did have a gun and was able to defend himself and NOT suffer serious injury or death?

What do you think would have happened had the police arrived 15 seconds earlier and stopped the fight before Zimmerman had to draw his weapon? I predict Martin would be serving some time in jail tried as a adult or at the least in juvenile hall, how about you?

 

You are not paying attention here at all are you. I'm not the one who brought up the emotion of caring that would be the girl with the armpit - Micketto in post #158. Perhaps you should address her with this suggestion, and read a little more carefully in the future.

And I still insist that Travon's friends and family cared about him, even though you and armpit girl don't, which seems pretty easy for you to do as you've disconnected yourself from any emotion.

 

Just like how emotions ran high in the Zimmerman case, I can imagine they will also in this one.

 

As I said take the emotions out of it, not particularly you, everyone. I'm sure too his parents cared about him, I hope so. But it has nothing to do with the facts of the case no whether Zimmerman acted in self defense. Zimmerman's family cares about him too.

 

I know you are but whay am I?

Furthermore....I win!....because if you re-read your response to me, you'll find I tricked you into agreeing with me..

 

From what I know of the case I am glad I am not on the jury. This first came up a while back and we haven't heard much about it since but it seems a "beyond a reasonable doubt" is going to be tough. Am right that the van with the teenagers drove off from the scene also? That would have given time to dispose of any weapon's in the van were there any there as the shooter claimed he saw. Did he feel threatened enough to justify the force he used, I don't know, how does a jury determine that in a case like this. His actions after the fact certainly do not help his case, I don't know what the jury instructions will be regarding that.

It could certainly end up a case of what appears to be a decent man over reacting to a bunch of indecent teenagers and committing an unwarranted act, teenagers whose indecency and disrespect for others got one of them killed. Just like in the Zimmerman case a tragedy all around.

 

So again [according to you], if you accept the facts and the overwhelming evidence and the truth as proven in court you are a racist and only if you believe made up nonsense you aren't. Gothca!

Ahhh you are calling me a racist?

 

And still you don't get it do you.

We ( that is the two people involved in the idea of caring in the exchange from post #158 ) , now pay attention carefully here, WERE NOT DISCUSSING THE FACTS OF THE CASE!!!!! We were exchanging ideas on the act of caring. I'm not interested in the facts of the case as they all are not available to us.

So please troll elsewhere...Thank you.

 

The facts ARE available to you and any conclusions should be based on those facts not emotions, it's really quite simple.

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No!....it's not over.

I, and many others, invested months of trial watching...I, and many others, invested months of trial watching that created our collective outrage towards that Barney Fife idiot.

Quote Originally Posted by Micketto View Post
History will look back and remember Zimmerman.... because people never really cared about the kid that died.

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I'm pretty sure that his friends and family cared about him. And just a little respect for the dead isn't really that hard is it?

 

You are just regurgitating the same old crap day after day aren't you.

Here's a thought - until Travon gets to make a statement and give his side of the story we will never have all the facts of this case. We have only the statements of someone who has proven that he lies to people in the position of authority. He lied to the judge about his finances.

Please stop with me as I'm not interested in listening to someone who believes that Georgie told the truth and that is the facts of the case... what a sad joke! Spend your time on something more worthwhile like removing emotion from your Blues Music. That ought to keep you entertained for a while.

 

Very mature.....

That's a very clever way to insult me, and I win again!....you'll find I've simply tricked you into projecting.

 

He didn't testify but beyond that the trained investigators and interragators found his statements credibile and they were backed by the evidence, the prosecution could produce nothing to refute them, you have access to all the evidence if you can point me to the evidence that proved him guilty then do so. And yes we do have some statements from Martin, such that he used racial slurs against Zimmerman, that he ran off and lost Zimmerman, that he ran back to the apartment and was free and clear of Zimmerman several minutes before the second altercation occurred back at the T junction two buildings north.

I'll stop you as someone who without proper reason dismisses his statements out of hand because they don't fit he picture you would like to believe to be the truth and your emotions surrounding the case, sorry you don't get that luxury.

So that your positions are not put into question, how self-serving of you.

 

Believe a proven liar if you like, I'm not so easily fooled. You know nothing of the picture I believe so stop trying to convince yourself that you do.

Now don't go away mad just.. GO AWAY

 

Bluesguy and people like him have to operate in a place without emotion or compassion. He really has convinced himself that because the jury was unable to convict Zimmy, that Zimmy told the truth. It's fundamentally a very naive position. He also thinks OJ spoke the truth too, and of course if he didn't think that, he's a hypocrit.

He may even believe his own arguments, but I give him more credit.

 

Post an investigator saying he was not credible and his statements untrue. And his statements were not the only evidence by a long shot. I don't care what you think of him, I care what the investigation showed and I can assure you I know far more about the incident than you.

I'll take that as a white flag since you could not refute the facts that I posted.

 

He lied to a judge about money and passports. He is a liar and you can claim his story as truth if you like. I'm not so easily fooled.

Take it any way you want I could care less now if you hurry you can still make it out the door before it hits you in the rear end.

 

His wife is alleged to have done so. That does not make him guilty of murder nor disprove or discount the overwhelming evidence he shot Martin in self defense.

 

I get it your convinced that he told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I myself disagree... now let it go!

 

This sums up my opinion .

 

I am convinced the evidence showed overwhelmingly he acted in self defense which backs his statements. I am convinced that the investigators said his statements were credible, they were consistant and they had nothing to contradict them.

Why are you convinced his statements are untrue in spite of the evidence that shows otherwise?

 

I get it your convinced that he told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I myself disagree... now let it go!

 

Here I will post my unemotional fact based statement again since you could not refute it before.

I am convinced the evidence showed overwhelmingly he acted in self defense which backs his statements. I am convinced that the investigators said his statements were credible, they were consistant and they had nothing to contradict them.

Yet the rest of the evidence overwhelmingly showed that is what happened.

I hang my hat on the evidence, you should try to do the same.

You have nothing to refute them nor the statements of the trained investigators and interrogators. Burden on you to disprove them beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution could not nor can you.

The distinction being what and why do you oppose someone using their right to protect themselves from imminent serious bodily harm or death?

By getting out of his truck nothing, it has no bearing at all on his defending himself during the second encounter with Martin which Martin instigated.

I could care less about what you assert you would have done nor your emotional based ad hominems towards Zimmerman. Zimmerman's actions were perfectly reasonable and perfectly legal that night.

Sure as long as you acknowledge it is an emotional based opinion and not one based on the facts of the case and admit that you would have made a lousy juror not interested in justice in this case.

I support the law which grants someone the right to defend themselves when they are threatened with imminent harm, why don't you? What do you think would have been the outcome had Zimmerman not defended himself?