Israel police boss threatens to send anti-war protesters to Gaza ‘on buses’

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can run, but you can't hide.

    "The updated 2017 charter attempts to moderate Hamas's image by stating that Hamas is not anti-Jewish but anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of completely eliminating Israel.[18]"
    Hamas Charter
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    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hamas_Charter


    The Hamas Covenant or Hamas Charter, formally known in English as the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, was originally issued on 18 August 1988 ...
     
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    No reason for a smart arises remark. You are asking me to accept that it is actually written in the HAMAS “charter” as you apparently fully accept it without proof. I said have him proof it by displaying the written charter. Not challenging that HAMAS is acting that way.
     
  3. CornPop

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    You are correct. My apologies. It was someone else who said it. I'll take my embarrassment elsewhere and allow you to have the final say.
     
  4. Izzy

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    What BS.
    Criticizing Israel does not a Hamas supporter make.
    Van Loman ran as a REPUBLICAN
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...der-and-city-council-candidate-dies/93164156/

    Some more of your Republican KKK boys.

    'KKK membership is usually kept in secrecy but here’s a partial list of Republicans who got elected with KKK support, if not holding a high position in the Klan outright, in no particular order:"

    • Rice Means (Senator, Colorado)
    • Clarence Morley (Governor, Colorado)
    • Albert Johnson (Congressman, Oregon; co-author of infamous Johnson-Reed Act)
    • Lawrence Phipps (Senator, Colorado)
    • Ed Jackson (Governor, Indiana)
    • Ben Paulen (Governor, Kansas)
    • David Reed (Senator, Pennsylvania; co-author of infamous Johnson-Reed Act)
    • George Luis Baker (Mayor, Portland Oregon)
    • Frederick Steiwer (Senator, Oregon, presidential candidate and keynote convention speaker, 1936)
    • Rufus Holman (Senator, Oregon)
    • Arthur Raymond Robinson (Senator, Indiana)
    • D.C. Stephenson (political boss, Indiana)
    • William B. Pine (Senator, Oklahoma)
    • Frank Bartlett Willis (Governor/Senator, Ohio)
    • Kaspar Kubli (state house speaker, Oregon)
    • Mark Alton Barwise (state house/state senate, Maine)
    • Owen Brewster (Governor/Senator/Congressman, Maine)
    • Van Lohman (city council candidate, Cincinnati) (didn’t win but was KKK “Grand Dragon”)
    • John L. Duvall (Mayor, Indianapolis)
    • Charles S. Tuttle Jr. (Mayor, Westbrook Maine)
    • John G. Smith (Mayor, Saco Maine)
    • Allen M. Irish (Mayor, Bath Maine)
    • Hodgdon C. Buzzell (Maine state house, state senate, president of state senate, candidate for US Senate)
    • Charles Hall (Governor candidate, Oregon)


    Here's your Republican boy.
    Arthur Jones got over 50,000 votes.



    Denounced by His Party as a Nazi, Arthur Jones Wins ...
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    Mar 20, 2018 — Mr. Jones, a Holocaust denier and former member of the American Nazi Party, was the sole Republican candidate in a suburban Chicago ...
     
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    he ran as a DEMOCRAT for city council-the Klan was started by democrats
     
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    Undermining operations in the field and getting US troops killed is treason.

    Protests in support of the enemy harms troop morale and encourages the enemy fight longer and harder. That's "giving aid and comfort to the enemy".
     
  7. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    It absolutely does.
     
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    No clue what this means. Have a nice day.

    They make no bones about it. They hate Jews, blacks, immigrants and gays. Thank goodness there arent too many of them, but from what I read theit numbers are increasing.

    As for Israel and their zero tolerance for pro-Palestine protests, I dont blame them given the fact that they are at war, and the Israeli Arabs are rooting for the enemy. Here in US everything always boils down to the two petty parties and nothing else.
     
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    Trump's turn against Israel offers stark reminder of what his ...
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    Oct 13, 2023 — Trump criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, lauded Hezbollah militants as “very smart” and sought political gain from the ...
     
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    Calling someone smart doesn't equate to an endorsement. Stalin was smart. Hitler was smart. I still hate their ideologies.

    The Palestinians launched the biggest attack since 1973.

    The Israelis didn't see it coming.

    Does that make the Israelis smart and the Palestinians stupid, or the other way around?

    It makes perfect sense to understand that the Palestinian terrorists are smart. Believing they aren't is what known as "underestimating the enemy" and it's a huge mistake to do so.
     
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    What do you find so smart about Hitler and Stalin?

    Israelis ARE smart, and the fact that they didn't pick up on this doesn't make them any less smart

    PS Trump called Hezollah smart, not Hamas, although I have a feeling he thinks highly of both terror groups.
     
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  12. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    They brainwashed entire nations into flowing them all the way into the fires of hell.

    The fact that Israel missed the signs isn't exactly a glowing endorsement.

    See? There's what I'm talking about. It's the #1 biggest flaw in Leftist thinking: everyone you hate is instantaneously stupid.
     
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    You do realize this is historical fiction, right?

    Or did you not read the book?

    Or are you unable to recognize historical fiction when you read it?
     
  14. FatBack

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    Don't describe the book cover you posted that you expect others to read that way
     
  15. Jack Hays

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    No. It is not fiction.

    "This book recounts, moment by moment, the process that gave birth to the state of Israel. Collins & Lapierre weave a tapestry of shattered hopes, valor & fierce pride as the Arabs, Jews & British collide in their fight for control of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem! meticulously recreates this historic struggle. It penetrates the battle from the inside, exploring each party's interests, intentions & concessions as the city of their dreams teeters on the brink of destruction. From the Jewish fighters & their heroic commanders to the Arab chieftain whose death in battle doomed his cause along with the Mufti of Jerusalem's support for Hitler and the extermination of the Jews, but inspired a generation of Palestinians, O Jerusalem! tells the 3-dimensional story of this high-stakes, emotional conflict."
     
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  16. notme

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    Isolated incident? The head of police blasted it on TV. You're free to post if that guy got put on a leash for trashing the freedom of speech or else I just see no problems in dubbing the Jewish state to be fascist.
     
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    What happens if you protest against Hamas in Egypt, Lebanon, Iran?

    Beheaded most likely.
     
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    Having a problem with freedom of speech and sending people into a war zone to get blasted by bombs, is not fascist?
    Of course it is. lol
     
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    If you say so, but it's not a surprising reaction at time of war, when people root for the enemy.

    PS No one has been sent to the war zone, so it was pretty much one officer venting out seeing people support the enemy,
     
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    Yeah. When you view Palestinian citizens as "the enemy" and so a legal target, than you're right there in that fascistic typical Jewish Israeli theme.
     
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    It looks that you slept at school during democracy lessons.
    Police chief Kobi Shabtai can say what he wants, but in order to sent people to anyplace - this decision needs to be approved by a judge.
    Yes, Knesset ethics panel suspends Ofer Casssif for 45 days for anti-Israel statements - in any democratic countries parliament ethics panel has a right to suspend or not suspend anyone they want.

    So what is a difference between Israel and a fascist state?
    In Israel:
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...pain-too/0000018b-3cf0-d450-a3af-7dfcf27d0000
    "Father of Israeli Woman Abducted by Hamas: 'Gaza Parents Are in Pain, Too'
    [...]

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ediately/0000018b-43ec-d614-abcf-ebff3ecd0000
    'The War in Gaza Must Stop Immediately
    [...]'

    And how it would look in someone in Gaza try to publish an opinion that killing Jewish women and children is a crime?
    Probably it will look like this:
    'Killing innocent Jews by Hamas was criiiiiaaaaaaaaaa, don't shoot, habibi, don't sh.....'.
     
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    so you condemn killing Israeli civilians?
     
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    The government of Israel. That chief of police is high up enough for such a label to fit. The government outlawed any pro-Palestine demonstration that demands those civilians to be free, and that cop is happy to trash their freedom of speech. They also banned a politician from their mids for saying that. Israel also got plans to ban Al Jazeera because it's not parroting their idea's enough. While they previously eventually somewhat admitted they they executed a reporter of theirs, but they can't be sure since they refuse to investigate the weapon of the soldier and see if the bullet is a match, and subsequently the person who pulled the trigger probably now gets to massacre around in Gaza instead of being behind bars.
     
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    As I said - it looks that you slept at school during democracy lessons. There is no difference between the US and Israel - both countries are considered democratic countries, even when sometimes some politicians say stupid things. If after 9/11 attack some congressman said that 9/11 attack was justified - you would see the same response in the US. Yes, many Israelis politicians would like to shut all criticizing voices, but Israel is democracy not court would allow it. Why? Because Israel is democracy, and Iran, Russia and Hamas government in Gaza are not.
    Recently ex president Donald Trump said that Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley deserves death sentence, is the US democracy?
    In 2021, congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that wildfires were caused by Jewish space lasers - is the US anti semitic country?

    So what is the different between democratic and fascist country?
    This is ChatGPT answer:
    So it is obvious that Israel is a democratic country and Gaza is a fascist territory.
     
  25. notme

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    This fits:
    • Fascist Country: Fascist regimes tend to suppress individual rights and freedoms in the name of maintaining social order and state control. They often limit freedom of expression, censor the media, and suppress dissenting voices. Individual rights are subordinated to the interests of the state and its leaders.
    • Fascist regimes often suppress political pluralism, typically permitting only the ruling party or ideology to exist. Opposition parties and groups may be banned or marginalized, and elections may be manipulated to maintain the ruling party's grip on power.
    • Fascist Country: In fascist systems, the rule of law can be subverted in favor of the regime's interests. The legal system may be used to suppress political opposition or to enact discriminatory policies.
    • Fascist Country: Fascist ideologies often promote extreme forms of nationalism, sometimes linked to the belief in the supremacy of one race or nation. This can lead to exclusion, discrimination, and even persecution of minority groups.
     

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