Israel police boss threatens to send anti-war protesters to Gaza ‘on buses’

So you're saying Hamas-controlled Gaza is a fascist regime.

 

Yep - Gaza, Iran and West Bank are fascist countries/territories, Israel is a democratic country.
In Israel there are multiple political parties, including communists and Palestinian parties, no a such thing in Gaza, Iran or in West Bank. Even one such party The United Arab List was part the previous ruling coalition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List
Here is a list of parties elected to current Knesset:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Israel

Here is a list of Arabs in Israeli parliament (Knesset):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

In Israel there is Supreme Court which can stop government action, no a such thing in Gaza, Iran or in West Bank.
In Israel there is a freedom of expression, the same as in the US, no a such thing in Gaza, Iran or in West Bank.

So why some people still call Israel a fascist state:
My guess - they don't know true facts.

 

You gave me 5 criteria what is a fascist state, and I put up 4 of them apply to Israel. At no point are you disputing this is.

Now lets look at point nr 1:
Fascist Country: Fascist regimes tend to suppress individual rights and freedoms in the name of maintaining social order and state control.

Well. This is exactly what the OP is about. For the sake of social order, no demonstrations may be held for the sake of the Palestinian people.

nr 2:
Fascist regimes often suppress political pluralism, typically permitting only the ruling party or ideology to exist. Opposition parties and groups may be banned or marginalized, and elections may be manipulated to maintain the ruling party's grip on power.
A person in the Knesset even got banned for 1,5 months or something for expressing his concern for the Palestinian people.

nr 3:
Fascist Country: In fascist systems, the rule of law can be subverted in favor of the regime's interests.
Jews can go to an Israeli court to claim their property back even outside of Israel / in occupied territory.
Arabs in occupied territory can not go to the Israeli court and claim their property back in Israel.

nr 4:
Fascist Country: Fascist ideologies often promote extreme forms of nationalism, sometimes linked to the belief in the supremacy of one race or nation.
Israel has rebranded it's country to be "the Jewish state".


So case closed. Israel is a fascist sate.

 

So is Gaza under Hamas.

 

On Oct 7 Israel was attached by Hamas and about 1400 people were killed. Israel declared state of war and during the war different rules apply, so you have to check if the individual freedoms were suspected before Oct 7. And how it was before Oct 7?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel...t-protests-against-judicial-overhaul-c9402a4c
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-society/00000189-cfb4-d821-afdd-dfb419e60000
https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/137258

So as you can see Israel is not suppressing individual rights and freedoms in the name of maintaining social order and state control and Israeli Arabs have a right to protest.

In Knesset there are opposition parties including Arab Muslim parties, the previous Israeli government included Arab Muslim party - which proves Israel is not a fascist country.
According to the law, the Knesset ethics committee has a right to suspend for things it consider unethical, and it has nothing with suppressing individual rights of Israeli citizens.

Fake news. There were cases where Arabs in occupied territory went to Israeli court and received back their property (if they could prove it), but the truth is that in each country citizens of the country have more rights that non-citizens. Arabs in in occupied territory are not Israeli citizens and of course have less legal right than Israeli citizens.
Anyway it has nothing with 'In fascist systems, the rule of law can be subverted in favor of the regime's interests.'.

Israel is a Jewish state the same Germany is German state, France is a French state or Italy is Italy state.

Nope - it looks you have to learn more about fascism, democracy and Israel.
Israel is democratic country, but Gaza, West Bank or Iran are fascist undemocratic countries,

 

You weren't allowed to fly a Palestinian flag in Israel prior to oct 7. And now they banned protesting all together.
The criteria has been met.

Ofer Cassif, a lawmaker in the Knesset criticized the government and subsequently got suspended.
The criteria has been met.

Around 700,000 Arab civilians got banned by Israel to return and got their property stolen by the government. They aint getting a thing for the sake to keep Israel as Jewish as possible.
The criteria has been met.

German, French and Italian are nationalities. Jewish isn't a nationality. It's a religious / ethnicity. And Israel went from a Israeli state for Israeli's to a Jewish state.
The criteria has been met.

4 out of 5 in total.

 

The only crime defined in the US Constitution is treason. Your definition here does not agree with the version in the document, but nobody gives a damn about what the document says.

 

Jew used to 100% be a unique ethnicity and nationality. Now it's a little bit more complicated. The state of Israel was never an "Israeli state". Even the United Nations in 1947 called for the creation of a Jewish state.

 

Treason, is defined by law as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy".

My definition is dead on balls accurate.

 

You convinced me:
in some countries like in France is illegal to display ISIS flag and it does not make France a fascist, undemocratic country, in Germany is illegal to display Nazi flag and it does not make Germany a fascist undemocratic country, in Israel the police commissioner is authorized to ban the public display of Palestinian flags, if he deems the flags “a symbol that can lead to disrupting the peace" and it makes Israel fascist, undemocratic country.

In Israeli in Knesset you have different political parties, even Muslim and communists, you have various newspapers which constantly criticize Israeli government, for the last 10 month there were in Israel constant demonstration against government:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Israel

but because ethics committee suspended Knesset member Ofer Cassif for 45 days after he warned that an “ethnic cleansing” of Palestinians at the hands of the Israel Defense Forces is underway (for which there is no proof) - it makes Israel fascist, undemocratic country.

After the WWII Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia expelled few millions of German,
but it does not makes these countries fascist or undemocratic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)

After partition of India 10-20 million people were displaced and 200,000 – 2 million murdered - but it does not makes India fascist or undemocratic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

About 900,000 Jews were expelled or escaped from Muslim countries, but it does not makes these countries fascist or undemocratic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

About 700,000 Arabs escaped or were expelled by Israel, which makes Israel fascist and undemocratic country.

France, Germany, Poland and maybe some other countries give citizenship to people who can prove they are in some way French, German or Polish and it does not make these countries fascist or undemocratic, but Israel is a fascist undemocratic county because it gives citizenship to people who can prove they are Jews.

Thank you very much for teaching me the truth and history. I am amazed by your knowledge, are you an university professor?

 

No, this is him just calling their bluff, much like De Santis shipped immigrants to Sanctuary states he obviously has a great sense of humour.

 

source it

Ethnic cleansing was already a war crime at that point.
Here, have some history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon#Egyptian_occupation
All but about 1,000 of the town's residents were forced to leave by the time it was captured by Israeli forces as a sequel to Operation Yoav on 4 November 1948.[4] General Yigal Allon ordered the expulsion of the remaining Palestinians but the local commanders did not do so and the Arab population soon recovered to more than 2,500 due mostly to refugees slipping back and also due to the transfer of Palestinians from nearby villages.[4][8] Most of them were elderly, women, or children.[8] During the next year or so, the Palestinians were held in a confined area surrounded by barbed wire, which became commonly known as the "ghetto".[6][8][22] Moshe Dayan and Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion were in favor of expulsion, while Mapam and the Israeli labor union Histadrut objected.[4] The government offered the Palestinians positive inducements to leave, including a favorable currency exchange, but also caused panic through night-time raids.[4] The first group was deported to the Gaza Strip by truck on 17 August 1950 after an expulsion order had been served.[23] The deportation was approved by Ben-Gurion and Dayan over the objections of Pinhas Lavon, secretary-general of the Histadrut, who envisioned the town as a productive example of equal opportunity.[24] By October 1950, twenty Palestinian families remained, most of whom later moved to Lydda or Gaza.[4] According to Israeli records, in total 2,333 Palestinians were transferred to the Gaza Strip, 60 to Jordan, 302 to other towns in Israel, and a small number remained in Ashkelon.[8] Lavon argued that this operation dissipated "the last shred of trust the Arabs had in Israel, the sincerity of the State's declarations on democracy and civil equality, and the last remnant of confidence the Arab workers had in the Histadrut."[24] Acting on an Egyptian complaint, the Egyptian-Israel Mixed Armistice Commission ruled that the Palestinians transferred from Majdal should be returned to Israel, but this was not done.

Israel committed war crimes by ethnic cleansing Arabs. They did this on a massive scale. While Ashkelon itself got build on the land the Jews ethnically cleansed by first wiping off the Arab heritage off it's map. And in this particular case were talking about the cultural heritage of the leader of Hamas whose entire family got deported from there. The hate of Hamas comes from Jewish war crimes, Ronstar.


And here we got this Jewish head of police, wanting to do what his fathers did. Deport people. I thought you would condemn warcrimes, like you said you would. But you're not.

 

Because those flags are first lobbed to be part of a terrorist organization and than banned. The flag of Palestine isn't a terrorist organization. But look at you thinking Palestine = Hamas and probably cheer about every Palestinian being massacred without a care in the world if it's a civilian or Hamas. In short: your argument doesn't fly.

WTF you on about? The Jewish sate purposely has cut of the water, electricity, food and medical aid to over 2 million people. They need over a 100 trucks every single day to meet the bare minimum requirements, and Israel after weeks of a no only allowed maybe a dozen but probably far less through a day. So Cassif is even right, but got kicked out anyways because of his opinion.... while he also is right. So yeah. It's fascists.

It's a fascist undemocratic country because it doesn't give those same rights you just dragged in to Arabs. It also makes Israel an apartheid state.

 

EVERY state in the Middle East is fascist or Islamist and a dictatorship. Seems like Israel fits right in.

 

Yes, you're right on the semantics, or at least close enough for government work.

It raises questions, one being a scenario in which war is brought under fraud, is not declared IAW constitutional demands. Are the presumptive enemies ACTUALLY enemies, or are they just declared to be, say as Dubya declared, 'enemy combatants' or whatever his term was? If POTUS Biden declares certain parties to be his 'enemies', does that really make them my enemies too? I think not. As James Madison noted way back when, in truth ALL men holding power OUGHT to be mistrusted.

Yeah, that's the ticket. I don't believe a word the government says because it's been shown over decades at least to lie all the time. If the government tells me that white supremacists are the enemy, why in hell should I believe it?

 

Anyone that is waging war against The United States, the people of The United States, or the armed forces of The United States is "the enemy".

 

How did Irag or Afghanistan (before we invaded those countries under fraud) wage war against the US? How did the people of Vietnam (before we invaded there) wage war against the US? How have the countries of Central and South America (before we invaded there) wage war against the American people?

 

The foreign forces killed United States troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. That makes them the enemy.

 

Yes! And, here in the US we have Queers for Palestine and Gays for Palestine. They should be sent to Gaza as well and see how much love and inclusiveness the Palestinians give them.

 

You want proof that there used to be a country called Judea?

LOLOL!!!

Next you'll ask for proof that water is wet.

 

Its also a war crime to kidnap and kill innocent civilians.

And to hide weapons in churches, mosques, hospitals and schools.

 

It's a war crime to hide weapons in churches?!

 

whataboutism and deflecting away that the Jewish state is a fascist state.

 

Yeah, why are you surprised?

 

Only if you totally redefine Fascism.