Israeli military shot and killed three hostages

and you have proof of that-
and you don't blame Hamas for hiding among civilians
and where is your outrage over Hamas murdering babies and noncombatants

I call bullshit on your motivations

 

Calling Jews praticing their religious beliefs "that bullshit" . . . Wow, can you be more hateful of Jews?

The first book, I had to look up. I'm not that familiar with your Jew-hating literature. I haven't read either and I don't really plan to because I'm simply not interested in fiction.

 

Tons and tons of pictures and video to confirm it.

I've seen no evidence of Hamas hiding among civilians.

I've seen no evidence of Hamas murdering babies and noncombatants. However, I do believe Hamas likely did kill some noncombatants either accidentally or through crossfire.

Israel intentionally targets civilians and children and has repeatedly said so and done so.

 

Look friend .. in language irrelevant to which side you are on .. you are making the case for "Human Shields" as justification for collatoral damage .. and as such justification for collective punishment.

The fact of the matter - and as per studies and statements by groups such as amnesty international and Human Rights Watch - is that Israel uses human shields far more that Hamas .. once again keeping in mind that it is tough to avoid in "Urban Combat" .. by definition.

Thus -- you justify collective punishment of the Palestinians .. including innocent men - women - and a whole lot of children ..on the basis "Israel has a right to defend itself" . from further Hamas attacks. Hamas is hiding within the population in Gaza ... and so every person in Gaza is a target.

Vunderbar -- and you are welcome to your opinion -- but, I do not share your believe that Ethnic Cleansing, war crimes, and crimes against humanity are justified on the basis that the "Bad Guys" are hiding amongst the population.

"The right to self Defense" -- Is something the Palestinians have .. just as much as the IDF .. who are massive terrorists - using human shields --- and thus .. according to your logic .. the October 7 action was completely justified and lawful as part of the Palestinians right to self defense.

Now that this is out of the way .. Which side of this Blood Feud do you choose .. understanding that there is no right side in a blood-feud .. as choosing sides only prolongs the death and destruction. The Lex Talionis .. the only historical solution I have seen work in such cases .. Draco in ancient Greece being the classic example.

When should we start arming the Palestinians ... as done for Ukraine .. in an effort to uphold and bolster the right to self defense from a foreign occupier ?

 

The head chopping of babies was fake news friend .. as was torturing in front of their mothers .. but that as it may .. we have the killing of innocent civilians which is surely a war crime .. no need for exaggerations to make that case.

That people engage in democratic process .. does not make them liable for collective punishment and/or Ethnic Cleansing and/or "Genocide" in my books .. so disagree with your opinion.

Further .. it is the Israeli military and Settlers who can't seem to live around Arabs without murdering them when ever the chance arises. Your perspective is backwards to reality .. The Israeli's are the Occupiers = the aggressors in this equation .. the Palestinian aggression a function of the right to self defense.

 

Everyone has said over and over again that they are outraged at what Hamas did on October 7th. It was disgusting. What is bizarre is how some people can get outraged over that, and be totally fine with slaughter of 15 times that number by the IDF. Saying Hamas is responsible for those deaths is a cop out. Hamas is a symptom for a much greater problem, that of the ongoing persecution of the Palestinians. OF COURSE Hamas is going to hide among the civilians. If they didn't the Palestinian cause would have been dead and gone decades ago, crushed beneath the heels of the IDF. They are doing what pretty much every unconventional guerilla force has done since the dawn of warfare, including ourselves in the Revolutionary War before we were able to get a professional army in place. That is asymmetrical warfare. How long do you think a force like Hamas would last if they met the IDF, one of the most modern and well equipped armies in the world, on an open battlefield? Asymmetric warfare cannot hoped to be waged in a conventional way. That is why, for the sake of innocent life, these conflicts need to be settled through diplomacy, NOT on the battlefield.
Hamas and similar organizations would not even exist if the Palestinians were dealt with in a way that satisfied their concerns and needs. You can guess how many times that has happened over the last several decades.
All that being said, I fully condemn the monstrous, inhumane attacks of October 7th attack on Israel, and I fully condemn the monstrous inhumane response that has killed 15 times as many people since then.

Now, where is your outrage for the IDF slaughter of babies and non-combatants?

 

A terrible tragedy but these things happen, it is refreshing that the IDF came out and said that and backed the soldiers.

 

icannot find any credible information or evidence to support the claim that Hamas raped Israelis, no victims as of yet have come forward. It's crucial to verify such serious allegations through reliable sources before sharing or believing them.

 

I don't like commenting on particular cases without being privy to the facts, but on the surface this seems to highlight how much these IDF soldiers are acting outside the rules of warfare, shooting indiscriminately without any regard who they are shooting at. Here Israeli captives; in other instances bystanders and civilians.

Friendly fire incidences happen, but here you apparently had captives who were largely naked to avoid suspicion they were armed or wearing explosives; holding up a white cloth/flag, pleading in Hebrew. Not one but all 3 shot to death, the last one even after the soldier was ordered to stop shooting (giving rise to suspicion he was perhaps trying to silence any independent "evidence" or "corroboration" of what they had done).

 

It wasnt fake news. Of course people like you will one minute later that ever happened what Hamas was flexing its muscles the minute before live on camera.

It wasnt just "the killing of civilians". When a bomb dropped which was aiming for a military target and hits civil targets like e.g. in Belgrad 1999 thats the "killing of civilians". That was a massacre which sadistic nature you can deny as long as you want, which was cheered by the Palestinian people all around when they paraded e.g. women through the streets which obviously suffered from or died due to hematorrhea due to mass rape. The Palestinians so called "civlians" celebrated that, you can look for a Palestinian who didnt cheer that were obviously few and far between to put it euphemistically.

The whole Islamic world cheered to that. "Killing civilians" up your ...

I have never seen such incidents of the collective hysterical sadistic happiness like that. All such atrocoties happened before, but guess what ... normally the perpetrators dont flex with it, because in their peer group they wanna reach it could be met with disgust.

That there is a genocide going on is an obvious lie made up by anti-Semites.

They are the occupiers, but the occupation is the answer to constant aggression. The IDF has a high standard when it comes to sparing civilians. The settlers in the West Bank indeed dont wanna live with Arabs and a very few of them are the same kind of animal like Hamas terrorists. However, since decades Palestinians had the opportunity to take the hand reached out to them by Rabin, Peres and others. Israel realized at some point its not possible, because the Palestinians simply dont want peace, they just wanna kill them.

Thats why you have an extreme government now which will use the events indeed for their own policy. As a peaceful two state solution is not wanted by the Palestinians they drew their consequences.

 

Israeli forces kill two Christian women in ‘cold blood’ inside Gaza church
A Christian woman and her daughter were shot in Gaza’s Holy Family Church by an Israeli soldier.

 

Dark skinned folks do better economically in a majority white country. Why else are so many dark skinned people migrating to white majority countries?

 

Why were they carrying white surrender flags? Who were they surrounding to? Did they use the while flags to cover themselves?

 

Stop believing Nazi Marxist lies.

 

that's such a naive comment.
Because white countries are less likely to be attacked by NATO, due to White tribalism. They're the safest place to be atm.

 

Any more questions?

 

Interesting that the Israelis are not even trying to cover this incident up, iWonder why..

 

As if the majority of the conflicts worldwide has anything to do with NATO.

 

99.9% of them are.

 

Yes, of course. Burma getting under attack by Islamist militants ... its NATO of course. India under attack by Islamist militants ... its NATO of course. Armenia under attack by Azerbaidjan Islamists, its NATO of course.

You know how ridiculous how fake Western anti-Colonialists and POC activists are? Referring to Black people but you cheer Arab militias and guard dogs slaughtering real African people in the Sudan, in Ethiopia, all over Africa.

Angola has drawn its conclusion long ago and I cheer for that.

 

looks like the jihadist propaganda is working.

 

oh look at this-you are claiming you don't hate Jews. I think everything you are posting is anti Jewish nonsense

 

not a bunch on this board
not a bunch of brainwashed tik-tok trolls on Ivy Campuses
I blame Hamas for the deaths of the civilians who do not support their Jihadist schemes. as to the ones who did support Hamas-I also blame Hamas

 

The tittilating tid bits such as the baby head chopping was proven "Fake News" and not like Israel are not the lying false flag kings to begin with so spare the faux outrage.. further .. I granted that was ..war crime/Terrorism .. so why you complaining to begin with.

I never claimed was genocide .. so more fakery on your part .. others have however .. exaggeration perhaps on the other side. what is not an exaggeration is that these are war crimes - crime against humanity ..by a foreign occupier .. something going on well prior to Oct 7 .. Oct 7 a response to decades of aggression and ethnic cleansing. .. the cleansing of the Land .. "From the River to the Sea" is the stated Zionist Plan .. along with the religious extremists according to the Good Book .. Bibi going on about the Amalekite ..

So what the issue ? You agree with and rationalize the Ethnic Cleansing because of why ? --- You don't like Palestinians .. think them less than human .. and so collective punishment is A - OK ? is that it ? Slaughter of some 5000 Children all good in the Hood if suspected Hamas member happens by the house.

See the Settlers used this opportunity to go on big Pogroms .. slaughtering Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. .. nothing new about that .. the military have their back while conducting these pogroms..

We seriously need to start arming these folks .. "Right of Self Defense" .. like we did Ukraine don't you think ? as the leader of the free world we should set the example and be consistent.

 

Lets check what you really wrote:

we have the killing of innocent civilians which is surely a war crime

You mentioned "Killing of innocent civilians" and chose that words carefully to avoid the word terrorism. You chose forthermore "war crime". What you wanna achieve with that is obvious.

I am not complaining, I gave a precise description of what we saw in contrast to your desire to belittle it. We saw forthermore what will happen if Palestinians ever will get power over Israelis.

So, lets look back, what your wrote:

That people engage in democratic process .. does not make them liable for collective punishment and/or Ethnic Cleansing and/or "Genocide" in my books

So of course you wanted to imply that there is a genocide going on, because it doesnt make sense in this context to dusciss hypothetical genocides and I myself did nothing but to defend anything but the Israeli position in the Gaza conflict (which isnt 100% the same as in the West Bank), so your remark was clearly an accusation of genocide. Which doesnt happen, which is just the hate picture you wanna paint of Israel.

I am not the speaker of the IDF it may turn out in the aftermath that there have been some cases of war crimes by the IDF, right now its legit to not believe even one word of Hamas claims who tried to hide military targets in a hospital and making up Pallywood stuff, which is the only fact that is proven. The same goes for the claims of their supporters like you.

We see what happens to Muslim Israeli citizen, mainly nothing, they can live in an Israeli state far better than in Egypt or Jordania or the artificial architecture that they call Palestine, which is in fact at least two seperate factions of Jordanian and Egyptian origin which would immediately start a civil war if Israel as a buffer would not prevent them from going at each other.

We see on the other hand what happens if the Gaza Palestinians ever get any power over Israeli people on Octobre 7th.

Which people you Americans need to arm and support are your local business owners which are victims by looters and pillagers backed by so called "woke" politicians and activists.