Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

It is correct to spell his name as "Mozes" in my country.

There is no evidence that the Jews left Egypt / the story of Mozes is true.
People searched for a centuary... and there is nothing.
So it never happened.

 

The fact that Israel enshrines in its state laws, a law of return for Jews is not racist. The Jewish identity is not based on race. Its far more complex then that and to call it race is absurd. Jews are found in every 'race" and for that matter, science no longer refers to people as "races" as we now have evolved long past the days where we constructed raced based ont he concept that skin colour, nose shape, hair texture, determined genetic differences. In fact those kinds of traits we now know do not determine genetic identity and were simply social constructs.

Israel was created as a state to enshrine the collective identity of Jews no differently than the Vatican City does the same for Roman Catholics, the United Kingdom does the same for Anglicans or sharia law states do for Muslims.

However the concept of a Jew is not defined by our physical appearance or religion. It also includes our shared sense of struggle to exist as Jews on this planet and having to create a state to protect ourselves from extinction.

It is an existential collective expression of identity, no more, no less.

Your accusation its racist is untrue. Nowhere in Zionism does it teach Jews as a people are superior to anyone. That lie based on the myth it states Jews are chosen people by God and therefore superior to anyone is an anti-semitic falsehood promulgated and recycled by people like you who automatically think we are expressing superiority as a state. We are not.

Zionism was not even created on religious grounds as the vast majority of its creators were atheist socialists and defined our identity based on political sufferage not just religion.

The very laws of Zionism incorporated in the Jewish state that provide Jews a refuge to escape to through a law of return is no different than the law of return offered to specific peoples in over 150 states of the United Nations including to name just a few, Ireland, Belgium, Germany, the Czech Republic, China, Taiwan-Formosa, Japan, Italy, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, the Ukraine.

Th fact that these states give faster passage to select peoples for citizenship based on their perceived ties to these countries from their ancestry does not make them any more racist than Israel is.

Israel may offer law of return to Jews, but this does not mean it does not provide non Jews in its country the same rights as Jews.

If Israel was racist as you claim it would have proclaimed non Jews inferior. It does the exact opposite. It in fact gives Christians and Muslims for example the very rights Jews are not allowed in Muslim states to this day. Non Jews own land, vote and elect members of the Knesset who call for the dismantling of Israel. Its Supreme Court has enforced the legal rights of non Jews. It has over 125 human rights organizations lobbying for the legal rights of non Jews.

How do you write what you do and remain silent on the fact that Israel came about because Jews had no where in Europe to go after the holocaust and were being treated as inferior third class citizens in Sharia law states?

Where were you in discussing dhimmitude and how to this day in a Muslim state, a Jew is not allowed to own land, or do business with a non Jew unless he pays a Muslim to act as a go between with another Muslim. Where were you when Jews were being massacered and forced into ghettoes and told they follow a cursed religion of liars and so can not testify in court, can not gather in crowds in public and can not touch a Muslim?

Interesting how you do not discuss that and your selective outrage is only for Israel and not these discriminatory Muslim states whose dhimmitude is in fact the very apartheid you accuse Israel of.

Interesting you don't explain why if Israel is an apartheid state, its Muslims live with the highest standard of living of any Muslim in the Middle East and precisely for this reason do not wish to denounce their Israeli citizenship.

Interesting you don't explain how if Israel is a racist state, Muslims go to the same hospitals?

Tell me if Israel is so racist why did it take in 10,000 Muslim refugees from Serbia during the war in the former Yugoslavia while the Muslim countries of the Middle East and across the world did nothing?

Where were you when Israel set up a hospital to treat Muslim victims of the Syrian civil war on the Golan Heights and took in Sudanese refugees who were Christian Blacks escaping from the Muslims of the North engaging in genocide against them?

If Israel is such a racist state, why is Haifa the centre for the religion of the Bahaiis?

Its clear from your post you have no clue what Zionism is and stands for and why it came about.

You perpetuate the ignorant statement that Zionoism is racism because you haven't a c lue what Zionism actually stands for but think you do and recycle the ancient anti-semitic myths of Jews being a race and not only a race but a race that thinks its better than others.

Just so we finish and end the next myth-when we refer to the fact Jews are chosen it does not mean we think we are better than anyone else.

The word is mistranslated in English. In fact the origins of Judaism came about with the concept that if we remember God through a collective identity as opposed to an individual identity, this God will remember us. It was an allegory-a story written at a time when Jews faced extinction and the collective identity was created to rally the Jews to stay united and the unifying figure or concept to prevent the collective from collapsing would be sharing the worship of the same one God. Chosen refers to the convenant that if Jews promise to worship God through a collective identity this God will remember us back through the collective identity and so we will continue to exist infinitely just as this God will.

It has nothing to do with superiority beliefs. The Bible, Talmud and Kabal contain numerous references as to respecting people of all beliefs.

In fact unlike Christianity and Islam who do preach their religions are superior and anyone who does not follow their religions goes to hell-our religion does not-this is why Muslims and Christians try convert people and Jews are forbidden to. To be a Jew one is either born through the mother's blood line or comes to the religion on their own volation. Any attempt to convert is considered molesting the soul of another. Free will must prevail for a spirit to naturally evolve into a Jew if not born from the blood line.

In fact it is Islam and Christianity not Judaism that discriminate against non believers. Christians preach until a person accepts God through Jesus one does not go to heaven. Islam preaches Jews are khafir, or dhimmi, people who follow a religion of lies and imperfections. Jesus is recognized as a prophet by them but nothing in Judaism is recognized. Ishmael is said to be their creator and Jacob the creator of Jews a lying and imperfect being.

You know nothing about Jewish identity. It was never about race. It is about a shared collective spirit that overcomes adversity. It is about the shared collective spirit that has overcome thousands of years of discrimination, pogroms, genocide and even the attempt by the Arab League armies in 1949 to once again engage in genocide against us trying to complete what Hitler started,

You want to accuse jews of being racist-go deal with dhimmitude, the holocaust, the expulsion of 900,000 Jews from Muslim countries who to this day can not identify Jews as having the right to a state. Go deal with the holocaust and 3,500 years of Christian persecution of Jews, and then get back to me and tell me why Jews are racist because we chose not to be second class ever again.

In your world resisting slavery, genocide, holocaust, may be racist-in my world Israel was created to liberate us and to say once and for all, never again will people like you mistate us and falsely accuse us of being things or thinking things.

Israel is the very statement that tells you, never again can your misunderstandings against us result in our collective genocide.

 

A mixture of truths, half-truths and damn lies in that diatribe. That takes some doing, so congratulations.

 

Still trying to refute with nothing? I guess you really don't have much choice.

 

With your extensive knowledge of history and great expertise in archaeology it's wonder some foundation hasn't offered funding for you to start your own think tank.

 

Please remind us all again how 600,000 (or is it 900,000?) Jews were systematically ethnically cleansed from Arab lands and we can all have another laugh.

 

The recognition was already made you just deny for the sake of denial.

 

Please provide evidence that 600k or 900k (depending on what particular lie you believe) Jews were systematically ethnically cleansed from Arab lands.

 

You mean you want evidence that the voilence against the Jews in Arab countries since Nov 29 1947 was related to them migrating out ? or do you want me to provide 600-900k recorded testimonies approved by the International court as legit, tell me what would a none objective judge as yourself would accept as "evidance", accepted history is not that much we know.

 

Please provide evidence that 600k or 900k Jews were systematically ethnically cleansed from Arab lands.

 

Remind us again exactly how you refuted well established history known by everyone on earth except you.

 

Who is "we"? Are you now "we"? No one will bother to play that game nor will we prove the holocaust happened either or that Moses is spelled with an S no matter what country people come from.

Now then you or "we" can keep laughing. It just summarizes (that is with an s by the way) where your head is at on these posts.

We get it. Anything to do with Jews you deny.unless you say it and it contains a negative accusation.

 

Well since you brought it up, which country is it you come from that spells Moses, Mozes. Finish what you started.

By the way its century not centuary. Do you spell century that way to in your country?

You of course missed the point. There is no direct proof of anything in the Bible let alone the Koran.

Interesting you only notice that this exists with Judaism but no other religion.

You of course have no idea to respond to the fact that all religions are based on stories and they do not have to be literally true any more than Aseop's fables to hold meaning and traditions for people.

Zip over your head with no response.

Good grief. I am now going to spell Oy Vay, Eye Veh.

 

How about you google "Mozes" yourself. I'm not here to be interrogated.

That is because no other religion came up.
Troll harder

 

If you were interrogated I'm pretty sure we'd come up with nothing.

 

Between the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Six Day War in 1967, there was a Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands. Many Jews living in Arab and Muslim nations were forcibly expelled by authorities, while others fled due to antisemitic pogroms which broke out during the conflict. Between 800,000–1,000,000 Jews fled or were expelled from the Arab world, and another 200,000 Jews from non-Arab Muslim nations fled due to increasing insecurity and growing hostility. A number were also killed in antisemitic violence. Most migrated to Israel, where today, they and their descendants constitute about half of Israel's population. Many also migrated to Europe and the Americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansings

Here you go

 

I've already tried explaining the obvious to the Helen Thomas mob.....to little effect.

 

Are you pitching yourself against millions of wiki contributors?

 

More paranoid delusional nonsense.

 

That's the same wiki piece CAPs posted which I've already debunked. You stick with wiki, and I'll stick with the accounts of Israeli historians.

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Who's the "Helen Thomas Mob"? It seems you have an unhealthy fetish with her.....LOL.

 

Yeah sure, that little inconvenient thing called Israeli historians....Remember?....LOL.

 

The half baked anecdotes of some obscure author don't change history.

 

LOL..."Authors"....That's plural. And these authors are established Israeli "Jewish" historians. Yes, that'll be Jews. See ya.

 

Wishful thinking doesn't change history either.

 

It was singed into law by the Arab League in 1947:



JEWS DISPLACED FROM ARAB COUNTRIES: A STORY OF COLLUSION

http://www.justiceforjews.com/chrono_web.pdf


Text of the Law Drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League
Summary

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law which was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all Arab League countries. This law had already been approved by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, provided that, “beginning with a specified date, all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine,’ and that their bank account be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine.’ Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated. Only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.’” 1

Excerpts of Direct Quotes of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League

• “All Jewish citizens…will be considered as members of the Jewish minority of the State of Palestine and will have to register [“within 7 days”] with the authorities of the region wherein they reside, giving their names, the exact number of members in their families, their addresses, the names of their banks and the amounts of their deposits in these banks…”2

• “Bank accounts of Jews will be frozen. These funds will be utilized in part or in full to finance the movement of resistance to Zionist ambitions in Palestine.”3

• “Only Jews who are subjects of foreign countries will be considered ‘neutrals.’ These will be compelled either to return to their countries, with a minimum of delay, or be considered Arabs and obliged to accept active service in the Arab army.”4

• “Every Jew whose activities reveal that he is an active Zionist will be considered as a political prisoner and will be interned in places specifically designated for that purpose by police authorities or by the Government. His financial resources, instead of being frozen, will be confiscated.”5

• “Any Jew who will be able to prove that his activities are anti-Zionist will be free to act as he likes, provided that he declares his readiness to join the Arab armies.”6

• “The foregoing…does not mean that those Jews will not be submitted to paragraphs 1 and 2 of this law.”7

1 Memorandum Submitted to the U.N. Economic and Social Council by the World Jewish Congress. (Jan. 19, 1948 ) Section I. (2) a. June 2, 1948. [ZIIC - This reference is in the document prepared by JJAC and is probably incorrect]

2 Text of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League. Paragraph 1.

3 ibid. Paragraph 2.

4 ibid. Paragraph 3.

5 ibid. Paragraph 5.

6 ibid. Paragraph 6.

7 ibid. Paragraph 7. (Paragraph 1 & 2 indicate all Jews must register and disclose personal and banking information and

that bank accounts will be frozen and utilized for anti-Zionist resistance.)

http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Arab_League_Law_Jews.htm