It Might As Well Rain Until September

This year we're on track to get 20-30000 boat arrivals, compared to 161 in 2008-9.

Numbers have increased internationally yes, that just means we're not the only ones with the problem.

Just because it's a relatively small percentage of the world's asylum seekers doesn't mean it's not a big issue for us. People use the same logic against Australia reducing ghg emissions.

I'm afraid I'm rather heartless and cynical about the whole thing. Millions of children starve to death every year, if everyone's equal then these deaths arent of particular significance and receive a totally disproportionate amount of political and economic resources.

It sucks that some governments treat their people like crap, it sucks that there are wars, but it's totally impractical to resettle everyone in the world who could qualify as a refugee. So a tiny minority, the ones with at least $10000, enter a sort of lottery system to relocate to the west, where they gamble with their lives and try to shorten the odds by paying thousands of dollars to disgusting criminals.

I think the whole system is a kind of sick joke.

I think prolonged aid and emigration just screws the people left behind, propping up corrupt governments and encouraging people to leave instead of to try and effect change.

I'd want to get the hell out too, but I expect laws to be about long-term nation building rather than short term individualism.

I think that the whole system internationally is failing, and now most developed countries are creatively avoiding international refugee laws as much as they can, and we're one of the worst offenders.

I think the refugee convention needs an overhaul.

I don't think mass humanitarian resettlement is a very sensible goal in the first place.

But if that is the goal, and we're going to adhere to international law, then surely we have to just open the doors and provide safe passage and abolish the quota. The real issue is they don't want to just stop the deaths at sea, they want to dictate how many refugees we accept, which is basically impossible under international law as far as I can tell.

So in summary, there's no solution. There's more the Indonesians could do in policing, but they really, really don't care, they don't want to be lumbered with asylum seekers.

 

Once again those that know nothing are commenting on those that work in the field. Sheesh

 

Are absolutely for real???

What the hell has my personal experience got to do about the facts that: refugees/ asylum seekers are engaging in criminal activity, by making a personal conscious decision to hire people smugglers, and paying these people smugglers $8000 to smuggle them into Australia through the backdoor.

Has this simple fact went over your head like a plane, or do you deliberately like playing dumb when it comes to refugees entering Australia through the backdoor due to criminal activity?

Where the hell has your sense of moral and ethical decency gone man?

 

You're not the only person who works in the field/area cowboy, but some of us don't walk around like mindless automatons and believe everything we are told.

Care to dispute any of the issues I raised in post #75 with proof and evidence to the contrary?

 

Firstly, why is your nose in this feedbag, I was commenting on Adultmales response to Diuretic's post. Duretic it would appear has first hand information not Abbot rabbiting comments to sensationalise the issue for voting brownie points

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Firstly, why is your nose in this feedbag, I was commenting on Adultmales response to Diuretic's post. Duretic it would appear has first hand information not Abbot rabbiting comments to sensationalise the issue for voting brownie points

 

Sorry, I crawled out of the political gutter debate regarding refugees ages ago.

I’m now stating facts; not sensationalism to fulfil an agenda.

My only agenda is to lock Australia’s backdoor, so criminals cannot come in.

Don’t you lock your doors to stop bad elements of society from entering your house?

 

Thanks for your excellent response! You've just outlined how we have as a nation given people a better life other than the appalling conditions they had to endure in their own land! You can hold your head high as a proud Aussie! I'd feel like I'd won the lotto as well, if I had just come from a war torn country where you're lucky to find one building standing!

 

We just hope the world reciprocates, because we will most probably need it if Abbott gets in!

 

I think we'd do better to, for instance, not illegally invade other countries, and to help some of the poorer less stable nations to build public institutions and to develop their economy, instead of just relocating a handful of their citizens.

 

Try telling those that drown it is a non issue.

 

I would have thought that a figure of over one thousand drownings (that we know of) would have been significant. The way things are going, this figure has a capacity to escalate obscenely, but I guess that`s a non issue for some.

 

They're given a few weeks support. They're not allowed to work. They get limited accommodation support and then they're on their own.

- See more at: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...y-fni0fit3-1226662780447#sthash.gA0qtmdi.dpuf

 

This is informative - http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm

 

Lets be honest and up front here. This situation ONLY applies to refugees and asylum seekers while they are awaiting approval or non approval for their application visas to become Australian citizens.

Once they get released from detention, they all the same benefits as an Australian citizen.

 

If this information was correct. Then why do we ONLY see Australians living in cardboard boxes, and in parks, shop fronts and under bridges? Why do we never see any refugees or asylum seeker living in a cardboard box, or under a bridge or on a park bench? The reason is they are always given priority government assistance and housing over Australians who are homeless and in desperate need of shelter.

These criminals always step to the front of the line ahead of the Australian people.

 

I could always ask the government to put your children into detention on Manus Island for you. They'd have 34 other children to stare through the prison walls with. That's how good refugees have it. What fun your kids would have, huh?

A lot of homeless people have mental illness and fall through the cracks of the health organisations that should be looking out for them and helping to rehabilitate them... it's not SOLELY a matter of a roof over their head... but more of getting help with their 'head'.

Yes, the system is flawed. But your argument is weak. And mealy-mouthed.

 

The same. Okay that's fine, they don't get any more than anyone else in a similar situation.

 

Firstly I'll take your assertion that only the locals are doing it tough. But I will take issue with your reasoning. Since it appears that asylum-seekers/refugees when they are released from detention or any other form of bonded state and are on their own that they get the same as anyone else without a job. It could be that they are benefiting from a private network of support providers, whether they be fellow nationals or charitable organisations.

 

So now you admit I was right. Your first response was deliberate deceit, you knew all along that they get the same open ended welfare support as any Australian. And you know what? the steadily climbing welfare bill is slowing crushing this country.

 

With all due respect, what a ridiculous and arrogant statement to make.

Suggesting that refugees and asylum seekers, who engage in criminal activity before they enter Australia, are more entitled to priority public housing over 300,000 homeless Australians, who may or may not have a mental illness, demonstrates your absolute lack of compassion and loyalty to 300,000 homeless Australians in favour of criminal refugees and asylum seekers.

You should hang your head in shame to suggest criminal asylum seekers should be given priority “anything” over 300,000 homeless Australians, whether these homeless Australians have a mental illness or not.

Shame on you!!

Has it ever occurred to you, that these children just might be used by their so-called loving parents/guardians as “scape-goats” knowing that if the children are released early from detention, they will also be released early from detention to look after them; therefore by-passing the time they have to stay in detention until their applications are approved.

Remember the children that recently drowned at sea without life vests? How many responsible loving parents do you know would put their children on one of those boats without a life vest? They could afford to pay people smugglers $8000 for a ticket, but couldn’t afford $50 for a life vest to save their child’s life.

Don’t you dare think you have the right to preach to me about taking responsibility for someone else’s children, when these criminals endanger the lives of their own children, by putting them on these un-seaworthy boats in the first place, for no other reason except to get into Australia illegally through the backdoor to suckle on the teat of our easy welfare system.

If they are in danger like they claim, they don’t have to endanger any life by crossing an open ocean to seek asylum. All they have to do is cross land and go to Russia for asylum. Australia is being “cherry picked” as a destination because of its easy welfare system. Oh, that's right. Russia's welfare system is really difficult to get, and its people are not as gullible as some Australians.

 

Just simply demonstrates that those supposed proponents of asylum seekers are simply creating pretence of morality to support a political agenda. They jump up and down pretending to support protection of the people’s rights but the when they continue to blather and then come out with "Why? It’s a non-issue." Simply shows their real standards. They pretend to be for multiculturalism and assisting asylum seekers because that seems to support their own political stance and it does not really affect them. After all, they are not dying on the boats, they are not faced with the prejudice directly but it sounds good to say those things regardless of ignorance or even agreement with their own mind.

Shallow at best, sleazy and ignorant at worst.

 

You lost me at the point of calling asylum seekers 'criminals'. That's quite nasty and misreprenting the truth.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/24024/

Calling asylum seekers criminals as you do really shows up your compassion and level of humanity, doesn't it?

Your compassion is compartmentalised... painting one side as worthy and another side as unworthy... but guess what? Humans, the lot of us.

There's around 1,000 children locked up in detention centres around Australia, and rather than have any compassion for these 'children', you blather on about their parents. So no need to feel compassion for these kids because blaming their parents somehow magically waves away the fact that CHILDREN are living in prisons in this country right now.

https://support.amnesty.org.au/save...m=website&utm_source=INT2013&utm_content=3col

 

What a laugh fest! You've got poor old Aussie, who is "extremely" concerned about the deaths at sea!! You've got CD, who extraordinarily paranoid about all asylum seekers, therefore believes should classify them as illegal immigrants and you got a couple of the other usual lapdogs who for the most part dribble the same old extreme conservative lines they always do! Bottom line, one would suggest it is all based on fear and the old ethnic-centrism attitude.

Don't rely on endless pub speculation or simply listen to conversations your mummy and daddy are having, do your own research! We'll have a quiz after you've read it......I'll expect that you will all get 50% right, only because apparently morally we should have higher expectations of individuals who function at the asss end!
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...y/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts#_Toc348096466

 

For you to try to discredit my concern for over one thousand deaths at sea, doesn`t affect my credability. What it does do however, it highlights yourself, as a low life sub human.

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For you to try to discredit my concern for over one thousand deaths at sea, doesn`t affect my credability. What it does do however, it highlights yourself, as a low life sub human.

 

You continue to demonstrate your inability to understand what others are stating. Apparently you consider that if you put the words "asylum seeker" or "refugee" everything that follows is pure ignorant racism should one be a detractor.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend and consider what others are saying demonstrates that you cannot think for yourself upon these issues and that you only agree with particular political stance of the party YOU support. You must have been destroyed to hear Gillard admit the ALP got it wrong and needed to revert to Howard stance on this very issue.

The fact you seem to support illegal activity with the pretence of "asylum seekers" clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what people are trying to discuss and wish to portray yourself as leading expert or even just an informed person by posting a link that simply explains Asylum seekers and refugees and in no way addresses the issues put forward.

Your condescension would show that you are attempting to reduce discussion to something you understand. Thus showing your stance on the issues is incomplete and not encompassing the entire issue presented. It is obvious you condemn those that want to stop certain illegal actions of certain people by attempting to group them into something you can understand as your stance has not thought about individual areas of the problems as they appear to be too difficult to comprehend.

As you seem to be the only person upon this forum that does not discriminate between the nuances of the entire asylum seekers issue and is very prepared not to actively put forward any idea or policy that would aid the problems of this entire issue, what do you expect to occur? Do you have anything to add?? OR again do you consider this forum you only chance to condescend and insult people as it seems to elevate your self-esteem?