It Might As Well Rain Until September

You've got a cheek. Firstly your post was hysterical:

Facts:

As I posted - they're given a few weeks support. They're not allowed to work. They get limited accommodation support and then they're on their own.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm

Children are sent to government schools, they get the same treatment as any other child, there is no preferential treatment.

Your post was Hansonist propaganda and you have the temerity to ask me to agree with it? And then you accuse me of deceit? And in response to your hysterical claims of asylum seekers getting more than any other person here you accuse me of knowing all along that that was the case? Yes I knew it, I checked because I've heard all this rot before. Fact is asylum seekers until they get work and are able to get an income - and mostly the work is on the lowest wage scale we have - do it pretty bloody tough. Life is no fairytale for them, they're just glad to be in a country that isn't full of people who want to kill them and a country that is generous enough to help them out, even though the help is pretty bloody meagre, due to political fear of Hansonists in marginal western
Sydney seats and nutter right wing shock jocks who stir up the nongs.

You have revealed yourself and it's an ugly look.

 

Look this thread is useful because it shows the lies that people will perpetrate about asylum-seekers due to their ingrained xenophobia. It surprises non-Australians when they discover that we're not all like good old Mick Dundee. Instead we're small-minded xenophobes who absolutely hate anyone who isn't dinky-di but at least we're not racist in that, we hate the bastards from anywhere else regardless of their physical appearance. We believe the Hansonist bull(*)(*)(*)(*) without checking because it reinforces our own prejudices. Look at the rubbish claimed here about the wonderful life that asylum-seekers have. And the lies about criminals loaded with money who pay to get on leaky boats to risk drowning so they can get to Australia. They chuck their passports overboard, along with the kids eh? Crap, crap and crap. Do you think DIAC is peopled by idiots? They have a huge caseload but they go through the applications for refugee status while people are in detention.

Do some reading - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-18/understanding-the-asylum-seeker-debate/2718820

 

Dribbling again. They're "human beings" FFS, who are living in extremely less desirable circumstances than us. It's amazing the manner in which you guys speak to the issue! So gazza, do you perceive "all"asylum seekers are simply illegal immigrants despite government screening! It has nothing to do with either side of politics, simply because that is where your blatantly obvious argument is! Howard's policies were a dog act and unfortunately every government has to follow this same sad line because of this thoughtless fool who politicised the issue for his own ego-centric motives!

Lets process asylum seekers here and those that attain refuge status every possible opportunity to function without fear of discrimation and racism, due to fear and ignorance! How about governments save a couple of a hundred million to promote and educate the nation! This could come out of agreed totals from all sides from electioneering funds.....tongue in cheek! Most aussies are reasonable when they know facts, however, you do get those that love the negative encapsulation of being blissfully ignorant! How about we legalise the smuggling trade(obviously wouldnt be classified as smugglers then) regulate it so that "No" children are aloud to travel alone and set up pre-screening tests that "smugglers"(for want of a better word) would be responsible to carry out! There would be penalties for smugglers whom allow over the quota of illegitimate asylum seekers! Like most things, you tend to pay through the nose for most things sold on the black market! Cheapen their fares and obviously provide payment to the australian government to process!

 

Don't get your nickers in a twisted mess! I can see you have a concern for deaths at sea but don't understand your other reasoning on asylum seekers as a whole!

 

MMM... Again you demonstrate that quality pointed directly at. I did not state what crime was committed but you immediately assume I am discussing Asylum seekers as committing a crime by entering the country. You stupidly have missed the point raised and attempt to attribute the debate to something you consider to understand... YOU obviously do not.

Again you demonstrate you do not know what Howard's policy was to address, yet you assume it to be something that you consider a moral consideration. So what is moral, allowing illegal activity to continue causing the deaths of the desperate without reproach while you ignore them and pretend you care? Or addressing the issue for the betterment of all?

How does that address the deaths from illegal activity? Do you foolishly consider say an open door policy would address that issue? Or are you one of those who consider the thousands of people drowning as a "non-issue".

Yes that would be good, because then they could educate you on the fact that people smuggling is illegal. Then you might be able to move on and present alternatives to stop the dangerous and corrupt activity that survives on the desperate. BUT you cannot get over your ignorance to discuss the real issue.

I see, it is not very good to discuss your own short comings in this discussion. If you cannot use the grey matter to actively and pro-actively inject yourself, then perhaps you should at least consider exactly what people are stating.

LOL... yes legalise the smuggling trade...LOL that is great idea to solve a problem you have no idea how to handle. Maybe you should consider legalising bank robbery because you cannot stop it... How about legalising guns because you cannot solve the problems of gun deaths... LOL What a fool...

Of course you do realise, you are discussing two different things and attempting to combine them into one topic of asylum seekers? You are not that foolish to believe they are the same issue?

But again, this seems only to be your forum for insult and nothing more.

 

This is your statement below! You are full of pedantic dribble! Can't converse with buddy "At All"! no need to say no more!

 

LOL... again you simply consider this is your forum for insults. Nothing you have posted or said addresses the issue raised. Your words only demonstrate your ignorance.

And this comment of yours simply demonstrates you have nothing of any substance except your own ignorance and pretence to address the problem... LOL

No you need not say more, it will only further demonstrate your foolishness and ignorance.

 

Drivel, drivel.....

 

Right then.

Asylum-seekers are criminals. Is that correct, incorrect or half and half? On the face of it yes. Sort of. The Migration Act covers this and basically what it does is enable the government to send illegal immigrants back to their home country. It's not so much a crime as a procedure.

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-and-refugees

And

http://uqrefugeeresearch.wordpress.com/page/3/
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Let's have a look at another claim shall we? Anyone like to put one out for discussion?

 

My post was clearly referring to 'asylum seekers' who were given asylum. Facts: They get the same if not more than Australians living on welfare as pointed out by other contributors. In regard to housing and other benefits they jump the que, as has been clearly pointed out by other contributors to this forum. Your reply above was deceitfully pretending to answer a different statement.

Did I say anything different? No, I said they get good schooling for free. Damn sight better than what they had where they came from. Thank you Australian taxpayers.

Never said they were getting more than others. I said they were getting a lottery win by getting everything the people smugglers told them they would get. I am sure they never believed it was going to be such a fantastic avalanche of benefits. Don't worry, they will send word back to their family and friends, tell them just what to say.

So why did you pretend not to know it and say they got limited benefits?

Rot?? You just admitted that it was all true!!!

No different to any other dole bludger. But a bloody sight better than they had it where they came from so your accusation of "do it pretty bloody tough" is rubbish. They just won the lottery.

No, most of them come from a country where they can never hope to rise above poverty. Living on welfare in Australia is infinitely better than the meager existence where they came from. That's why they come here, to access our welfare system.

You have reveled yourself and it's a Labor/Green brainwashed look.

 

Are you trying to interject your opinion supporting the stance of TV? First point that you along with TV seem to miss is that people smuggling is illegal and simply prays on the desperate and oppressed. As stated by many Asylum seekers are not criminals, the method of accepting monetary reward to smuggle people is.


So is that your entire effort in support of TV? As stated to TV I would ask you: Do you believe the two issues are the same? Apparently TV does and is unable to distinguish between the two so he simply combines the entire debate around the Asylum seeker debate and refugee debate without thought or process.

BUT to debate this issue in the light of the entire process you need to understand that majority of asylum seekers and refugees arrive by other safer means. By not breaking the issue down to what people object to will never find method or policy to protect people from dangers and people who simply want to exploit the desperate and the impoverished. Thus more people will die while people pretend to care and create a moral pretence that makes them feel good while they lie to themselves about the issue.

It is one thing to acknowledge the political football that is being demonstrated with these people, but it is another if you really do not understand the entire issue as that only perpetuates the ability for government to continue to keep these things in play.

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Yes, I thought so, again you have nothing and simply wish to impress your own ignorance upon the issue.

 

This is the reason why I can't converse with this individual, as I pointed out also in previous post! "I have never stated that people smuggling is legal". He needs to give up, his desperation to build credibility isn't working.....in fact, it's getting worse!

 

Diuretic, using criminal in a different context, the shadow immigration spokesman Morrison suggested a couple of months ago that asylum seekers on visas were criminals and neighbours etc should be notified if they are living in their vicinity? The crime rate is high for those living in our communities as alleged by Scott Morrison, with a clear message that we shouldn't trust them!

 

No problem with criminalising people-smuggling. So that leaves me with asylum-seekers. Separate issue. Now I assume that people object to asylum-seekers who are arriving by boat. I view the asylum-seekers and the people-smugglers as being different one from the other. I realise that there is a crossover at times but for I want to separate the two issues. The criminality of people-smuggling as against asylum-seekers.

 

Indeed, Morrison is a disgusting politician on this issue. But he voices the propaganda of the Coalition which is determined to confuse the issues in the public mind. As for the crime rate, if the asylum-seekers were living in the other Australian equivalents of Rose Bay or Toorak and not in environments which already have high crime rates I doubt if Morrison would be able to pull off his propaganda trick, but they're not so he is able to create misunderstandings again.

 

LOL... Again you show your own comprehensions problems and you even state them… LOL

You accused people upon their beliefs of being opposed to Asylum seekers with your own assumptions of what people are saying. You interject yourself and impose yourself with your ignorance on all without even thought about other people’s stance, pretending the high road.

When you are brought to account, you lie you hardest and through insult to create disparagements while pretending to be righteous.

My credibility.... Sorry to say when the ignorantly foolish whose credibility is nothing but insult and lies, attempts discuss anybody’s credibility, I have to laugh.

Truth is you cannot talk about it because you have nothing but your own self-important opinion and pretence of moral importance. Fact is that your demonstration shows your ignorance and needs to be told what is morally right or wrong... LOL

 

Can`t you get anything right? Truely TV, you have the comprehension skills of a box of jocks.

 

Yes, it is an entirely separate issue. Problem is, it is important to discourage the influx of people by boat to discourage the trade. Hard topic and while Howard's policy seemed harsh it did work.

It appears the ignorant only consider that Asylum-seekers are the same criminal element as the smugglers, TV as noted. But the processing is important to eliminate the unwanted and criminal element from gaining entrance into Australia. It would be my thoughts that too much money is being spent (due to ALP failures) to detain these people and not process them.

I believe that more money and better advantage to eliminating the problem of people smuggling would be to spend more money where the people come from to process them before they get on the boat. I have stated before that I know of one family who did the right thing and applied for asylum status in another country to Australian consulate and still (now eight years later) remain in limbo waiting for an answer. Living in a country with no support and needing to be extorted by the local business to earn enough to simply feed the family. Is this right? What incentive has this family got not to board a boat? Considering the risks they would be far better off getting on a boat and assuming they arrived had an answer six years ago? While people such as TV and his ilk simply create the pretence of morals on this subject, the politicians can continue to play political football with this subject waiving their hands at the boat people so we ignore everything else that occurs on this subject.

I know it sounds harsh but maybe we should simply detain people who arrive by illegal methods such as people smuggling to remain detained until decision is made about people who follow correct procedure and apply at the first safe available country at Australian consulate on the same day or week for status. Then only begin process when that person or family has arrived in Australia or refused entry. Then maybe you will see some people think about it.

People do need to be more informed on this subject. Yet most simply wish to live in their own ignorance with their pretence of moral superiority, which is exactly what the politicians want.

 

I was attempting to raise another furphy that people are concerned by, that idiots like Morrison stir up! Reports tend to show that asylum seekers are 45 times less likely to commit crimes! They continue to use fear and conquer tactics at any costs! It it totally immoral as far as I'm concerned!

 

Lol.....are you right now?....I'm just glad you could get whatever needed off your chest!!!!

 

Ignorance is nothing to be proud of, surprising that you wish to remain is such a state and not find out for yourself... But of course you will attempt to excuse your ignorance with such things as the bigotry and insult as per normal...

Interesting that you would also lay more pretence of moral superiority when you suggest that you have the measure of others with “They continue to use fear and conquer tactics at any costs! It is totally immoral as far as I'm concerned!" when you appear to be as ignorant as the people you point too. When one only fakes morals they have no credibility to suggest they can judge morals

 

Garry, in all honesty you just drivel! You're menial pedanticism is weird! Your into silly little nuances, but this is due to your lack of comprehension! What makes it worse is your drivel is thesis in size!

 

So you are proud of your ignorance... Funny that, So it would seem your attempt at insult and disparagement is your desperation to hide it... How about more lies to attempt subterfuge? Anything on subject? No... Just your desperation and ignorance... LOL

The fact you obviously need a dictionary to find out what is said to you makes your arrogance born from ignorance even more amusing. Strange, that this demonstrates the drone quality of the usual ALP supporter of this day. Maybe your handlers can let you know how to recover from your failure here to address the issues raised; they do not seem to be able to work out how to run a government... LOL

 

Desperate speculation right here again! It's laughable!

 

Yes, your desperation is... LOL