Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

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  1. allegoricalfact

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    This though is were I have a problem with the whole Wikileaks thing. Assange, nor any of the other so called whistleblowers, has/have ever told us anything that we didn't know already - nothing that was not already out in the public domain.
     
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    He was accused of raping two women.
    He could have defended himself but chose to hole up in an embassy.
    Reckon every rapist should try this.
    It's a pity he didn't manage to do the Snowden trick - and happily go
    live in Putin's Russia. Or even Venezuela could have accepted him.
    There's also China, and maybe even North Korea.
     
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    Is it? I am not denying it but found it odd that you should bring it up here where it is irrelevant to the topic.

    An argument for another day, pet.
     
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    Fascism it is not for it is Corporate that rules not Gov. Look to the Barcelona declaration to understand what 'they' are up to.
     
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    It will be hilarious if he gets 7-10 years in the US. I’d love to see his face on first day in prison realizing that if he wasn’t such a drama and didn’t run away he would be released by now.
     
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    Modern fascism is alive and well in Russia.
     
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    Mussolini noted that fascism could also be called corporatism.

    A rose by any other name...
     
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    Putin had the Oligarchs to cope with - The wall went down to quickly and The Drunken whats his face allowed Bankers to poor money in unrestrained.
     
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    Why? Because by regulation they could have control over people's rights rather than allowing blinkered speculation trample over them. Mussolini was erratic but the idea was not, for that time, a bad one. The Banks did not agree. All wars are banker's wars --------------
     
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    He raped no one. It was over condoms - the women retracted their statements which they gave under coercion. But I still find the whole thing so odd because he told us nothing we didn't know already.
     
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    You know, ask any campus liberal woman and she will tell you the issue of
    condoms, by itself, can constitute rape.
    I wasn't aware both women retracted their statements - why then does
    Sweden then want to put Assange on trial?
    My reading of the LEAKED police statements by these women reads
    as rape, certainly in my country. As Aussie women are fond of saying,
    "If it aint on it aint on." Anything else constitutes a violation of a person's
    will.
     
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    It was consensual - please look up the definition of rape in Sweden ..... unless of course if it is by an immigrant which is now an every day occurrence in Sweden but because Muslims do not understand Swedish rules no one gives a damn.

    It was a trumped up charge which the women did not want pursued - you should look into the prosecutions treatment of those women and then ask by whom they were abused. The prosecution dropped the charges at first but a battle axe of a lawyer undermined the first decision --- it is the way things are, isn't it? We are not governed by our own government but by larger global entities - including the run away war machine= blinkered speculation.

    I see no good reason not to allow Assange to go free but then is this whole thing just a diversion away from the real matters which we should all be questioning? Yes, of course it is.
     
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    What?

    You are saying WikiLeaks/Assange didn't tell us anything we didn't know?
    Bingo, and we are currently living it through the following companies

    Google
    Apple
    Nike
    Disney
    CNN
    Fox
    NBA
    Etc

    The Oligarchs are the Clintons, Bush's, Pelosi's, Romney's and so forth.

    The awakening is coming, people who support the above system need to find it in themselves to understand the reckoning.

    Or not, we could care less, but we are fixing the country whether you like it or not
     
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    No, wikileaks told us nothing that was not already known to those who wished to know - What they did do was have it published in the rotten media. some of whom you have mentioned above.
     
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    Ah, I see what you are saying now, my apologies.

    Well, in this crazy BS media world we live in, being able to find something online has meant nothing. Media has convinced us that anything in this vein is a "conspiracy", but wikileaks helped make it so much more real to everyone.

    Assange gave us the means with which to understand everything

    Whats the most funny about all of this, if the Deep State didn't go after Assange and Trump, they may have been able to "hide in the bakground" until things cooled down again.

    By 'freaking out' like they have, they have only sealed their destruction.
     
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    Who do you believe is the Deep State?
     
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    That we know of and is still in government?

    Pelosi
    Kerry
    Romney
    Ryan
    Biden
    Williams - proven to work with Burisma, yet he is the "star" whistleblower
    Comey
    Brennon
    Clapper

    The CIA runs the media complex. They run the top Disney, CNN, Fox, NBC and everything that runs "the story"

    They run the military industrial complex, with Deep Sites in Syria (were before Trump shut them down recently) letting the military industrial complex continue to sell weapons to all sides, continuing to push war and stopping peace from coming to the region.

    The top military contractors are now run by women, ALL OF THEM, and they are a part of the media "go women" complex, making us ignore their real Deep State controllers who keep buying military equipment.

    They use the entertainment industry, the media and all that is attached, to keep us busy and to shut us up when we ask questions.

    But it is over, the Deep State is going down HARD.

    Trump is an aweful human, he is a jerk, he is selfish, he is a POS.

    But he is a battering ram being used by the NSA and military intelligence against the Deep State listed above.

    When this all comes out, I hope many of you will stop listening to the media, and see the truth with your own eyes
     
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    Ask yourself what happened when Occupy WallStreet started ....

    The media IMMEDIATELY pivoted to Identity Politics, all to make us hate each other instead of the banks.

    Now, we hate each other for race, creed, ethnicity, sex ... ANYTHING. All so they could avoid the hatred that was pointed at the bankers.

    This is all smoke and mirrors
     
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    I dunno about that - when ever we have realised that the Emperor has no clothes, throughout history, it has always been a long haul back to equity.
     
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    I will give what you said some thought but I would just like to say I was reading last night that Trump has not brought all American Military home. He has left a fair number there to guard the oil and make sure the Assad Government cannot use it for the good of the Syrian People. I think if you look at his tweets for the past few days you will find evidence of what I said. I can't remember where I read it but will have a look later.

    Here we go
    US Troops Staying in Syria to ‘Keep the Oil’ Have Already Killed Hundreds


    Hungary kids finished school about to arrive!
     
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    Perhaps, but we have never had the communications technology we have today.

    The media lies simply don't work, they only "kinda" work because for now they keep screaming CONSPIRACY!!!!

    But when it cracks, with the modern day internet, the flood gates will open and all of "us" who understand what is happening, will be there to educate people on just how badly they have been lied to

    I try to do it in a nice way, they are not at fault, if you are younger than 30 you have literally never seen anything other than propaganda and A LOT OF IT.

    We are Americans, we will win this
     
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    Totally agree.

    From what I can see, he is TRYING to bring troops home, but every time he does, the media complex freaks out on him.

    Meeting with the Taliban? Did they defend peace or make fun of Trump?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-camp-david-taliban.html

    Bringing troops home from Syria? Yeah, they definitely attacked him for that ...

    Saudi Arabia I will totally give you, I am frustrated too and want them home. The only "solace" i have is that they are SAM site defensive troops for the most part. But I will fight right along side you to bring the rest of them home, including attacking Trump to do so if need be.

    They literally attack him for ANYTHING that stops the status quo of war.

    But I ask you, when Bush started 3 wars and Obama started 4 wars .... why are you attacking the first President to actually TRY and stop wars since Jimmy Carter, if you are so anti-war?
     
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    We used to think that when everyone realised the post WWII lies that the whole post war political systems would fall - but they didn't - the narrative simply changed and another baddy was invented. They didn't fall because we are trapped in them and are too terrified of them falling and us with it into chaos. They have brainwashed two generations and are into the third now ---- and invented, now we in the west have noting to complain about, identity politics to keep fools busy and non fools struggling for sanity.

    I didn't discover the internet until I was in my late 50s - it is the greatest library there ever was - and yet I discover that so many people just do not dare to research outside their comfort zone - so in a sense we are no different now than before - only a few of us are open minded and do not fear our own thinkers -

    I am English and we will win a few battles but the war? We all have to come together for that one --- Peace and Love and Free Thought and Intelligence - Knowledge and Forethought and Courage xxx
     
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    Fair enough, I should have said "Patriots" not Americans, my mistake. I have spoken with hundreds of great UK Patriots, ready to fight the Global Deep State.

    All of what you say is true, I guess in the end, we need to have faith (and I am not even religious!)

    After World War 2, we thought we defeated the enemy, but the Deep State remained.

    After the Cold War, we thought we defeated the enemy, but the Deep State remained.

    Now, we are fighting the Deep State .... with the internet, we known they are controlled by the bankers of the FED, ECB, IMF, BIS and the rest of the alphabet bankers.

    What happens we we defeat them? I highly doubt they are being controlled by anyone, considering they are controlling the money.

    If you follow the money, I am not sure if we will have anyone left to fight. Yes, evil people will always use greed to try to control people, but with the current internet, I don't think that will be possible.

    Fight on good Patriot, we are winning
     
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    The control is simply speculation with blinkers on - how it got that way is debatable but who cares now about the 'Soros's', the Bankers, the Roosevelts or 'the Jews', it is what it is. The war machine needs war so with its mates 'we know who they are' it invents another and another, grows larger and larger so invents more and more etc - not looking right or left at the consequences of war - but like a runaway train blinkered it rampages through bodies and forests, deserts and cities - ditto Big Pharma and so on ----------- with millions of people relying on their jobs to feed their families and pay their mortgages and have a decent life. When the 'nig'gers' get uppity they just move the work to another but poorer country and etc - How do we fight them? I have watched in distress the fabric of this country be ripped apart by sneaky cruel unfair means - telling us now that we will lose all rights for workers in the Uk without the EU - wo the fu'ck gave the EU workers rights in the first place? We did but the youth know better - because their indoctrinators told them so. What we lost was a fair and stable society with ,independent from central gov, 1000 yr old evolved local govs giving us a decent life - now we are run from unheard of EU regions and subregions behind the facade of our old council buildings - we may not build or plan for ourselves because that is unfair trading according to Directive 1008! They have ownership of our utilities, our services have to be put out to tender etc and ect ect -

    Sugar level dropping and I have an essay to write - on equity no less.

    Yeh keep up the good fight and remember it is our happiness and our humour that they hate most - English sense of humour is now illegal btw ;) Bastards!
     
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