Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

I think you are looking at the problem in the wrong way.

We fight "them" by showing the people that we don't need "them" to be successful. They are trying to say that unless we do what they say, we will all be broke and have horrible lives.

This is the same thing they have done with the black community in America, holding them down with "free stuff" to the point that they never go on to think for themselves.

Same thing with the "Progressives" who just shout media narratives all day, even though they are proven hypocrites in literally every avenue. Trudeau with black face anyone ....?

The biggest lie ever told was that we "need" the FED, as soon as they are destroyed or at least brought to heel, the more these bankers will lose their revenue streams and lose the ability to tax us.

Think about it

1971 -- taken off gold standard and put on Petrodollar

1971-1979 -- MASSIVE infaltion and debt, massive export inbalances, all bringing "credit and debt"

1980's -- Oil glut producing more debt driven of the PetroDollar

1990's -- Internet IPO's launch on "speculation and clicks" more debt....

2000 -- Introduce bills to demand people have houses that can't afford them ... more debt

2010's -- Make everyone go to school, even though it doesn't get them a job and saddles them with .... DEBT!!!

Meanwhile, they continue to tax interest off all this debt they accrued .... HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE

These people are driving horrible narrative in order to build debt, build slavery built on their ideals.

When we bring this down, we bring down their ability to wage war, make policy and generally make us all hate each other so we forget it is them who are truly screwing us over.

 

Unless the jury decides otherwise

 

I know but I also know and see what traps are laid before us.

 

The main trap is just human greed, they try to act like anyone doing things for themselves is "Greedy" and that we all shoudl be doing stuff for the big banks instead, that way they can "redistribute" things as they see fit.

What specifics do you see?

 

No, no, no, no ,no.
Not our benevolent FED.
it's the guy making a several hundred K who is keeping us down and should have his balls taxed off. He can afford it, the capitalist bastard!

 

That most of us want an easy life to bring up our children in peace and stability - not until it is perhaps too late will most rebel - if they do even then. History and human nature tells the tale. Where men would fight before now they watch the telly and tut tut.

 

Hmmm, I think I phrased my question incorrectly based on your response

I totally agree, we are looking for freedom to live our lives and the only way to do that is by destroying the Global Deep State. But I think you are being a bit fatalistic with where we are going.

In America, we have guns, LOTS of guns. I personally own 3 rifles, a shotgun, 8 handguns and 30,000+ rounds of ammunition.

I am "lightly" armed, compared to many.

Unless they get gun control in America, it is LITERALLY impossible for a Deep State revolution to happen. Yes, I know that doesn't help you guys in the UK, but it looks like you are doing just fine on your own as more and more people wake up to the Global Deep State and how they are trying to stop Brexit.

"Too Late" is in my opinion, not possible. The police, army, navy, air force and armed citizenry of America would never let this happen.

I am so sorry that you aren't able to "fight" like we are here, but just know, we haven't forgotten you

 

Yes and no --- yes you have guns and I understand why BUT you won't even think about using them until it is too late. Who will fire the first shot and at whom? There is no battle field here. Look what they are doing to your/our kids injecting them with 10,000 sorts of poisons - spraying our skies, poisoning water and so and and ect - they have other ways and are using them to cower us.

Oh **** Fireworks have started! I wish they would stick to Nov 5th the animals suffer so from the bloody bangs! I know who is setting them off - she will be sent to Coventry tomorrow!

People still have guns here - illegal or not - but they can always outgun us pet xxx bloody can't out firework us though! Right next door to a friend whose dog is terrified of the buggers! - the two little ones ( terriers) who live with me now are brave ones - sillies.

 

I think you are following the media too much, IF something breaks out, the Progressives have absolutely zero change.

Our military is fully in charge and many say, are behind the actual push to get Trump elected. They would NEVER attack our citizenry based on what the International Bankers want. The actual people who fight are DECISIVELY MAGA, the support people are a little more to the Left, but they don't matter nearly as much.

The only parts of America that are for the Bankers are the big cities, all clumped together. Take Los Angeles for instance, one small explosive divice on the LA resevior and they lose 80% of their drinking water.

This is a fight they literally cannot win and they know it.

Schools in America are dying off because of what you are saying. Colleges are expect to see 50% of them shut down in the next decade, kids are moving more and more to schools that are not funded by the government.

Hollywood has ticket sales down tot 1994 levels and all their media is slowly dying, they have lost 7,200 media jobs in 2019 alone.

KEEP FIGHTING

This is not a fight we can lose, unless we lose the hope within ourselves. The bankers have literally nothing other than "message".

Just call out the people for their BS as they go, 99% of the time, they are arguing "morality" or some other useless thing that actually means nothing. The only weapon they have, is their precious "message" that is currently being dismantled by Patriots like Trump and Boris

 

I don't follow the media at all - have no TV and don't listen to the radio anymore - don't get Newspapers either.

Good.

Same here over Brexit.

Watch how they change the goal posts - I am just taking one battle at a time The end game? The UN said the other day that we, in the UK, could take in another 160 or 180 million more migrants - that is the intention. The EU speak openly of the Afro-Euro Europe we are going to become - and what do we do then my friend wen we are the hated minority in our own ancestral lands? They are devils that we are dealing with, devils, and our youth are on their side.

 

Even if the accusation from the women were completely true, Assange still would not deserve everything he's been through (7 years in the embassy, in what amounted to practical solitary confinement, then a 1-year prison sentence, and now the risk of a huge number of years in prison from charges in the U.S.).
There has been a common public misconception that the women accused Assange of "rape", when the actual facts of the accusations are far different and far more mild than that. If what these women claimed he did had taken place in the U.S. it is extremely unlikely he would have faced any criminal charges for that. These were women who, by their own admission, had been sleeping with Assange before and after the alleged sexual violation, and it wasn't like they were screaming "No" or trying to physically resist. It's only in the country of Sweden that such a situation would be considered sexual violation worthy of legal punishment.

 

That would be something and Pilger indeed seems to expect this to go to the crown court where usually but not always there would be a Jury. However I thought I had heard different so did a search and here is what a UK alternative site The Canary says. According to them he will never see the Crown Court. It will all be done, if like the other day led by the US, in a Magistrates Court.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2019/06...can-save-julian-assange-from-dying-in-prison/

I also agree with their belief that the only thing which will stop this happening is if the public will not stand it. Unfortunately because the public does not have a clue about what is happening that is not going to happen.

I have remembered why all the Democrats and News Agencies turned against him. Yes, it was the Clinton Emails and all the propaganda which went on at that time - him being a Russian lover and what not. I felt unable to take that at face value but knew I could not just not take it. I would need more information or.. the alternative I took was checking out what someone who had met and been impressed by Assange previously thought. He is a Professor of Politics in Sidney University Australia and I know how he works very well. I knew he would not be producing propaganda for either side and that any bias he would have would be in favour of Democracy the study of which is his speciality.

He begins by speaking about some of the accusations which people have been making.

and then goes on to describe what he believes motivate Assange

https://www.johnkeane.net/hillary-clinton-julian-assange-and-the-us-election/

Those are genuine reasons to support him as well of course as the freedom of the press being a pre requisite for Democracy. (Possibly I should add, he is not a Trump supporter.)

 

I agree that Corporate Media rather than a free press has had a growing power in the West particularly since 9/11 to the detriment of a genuine free press and investigative journalism - which of course is what Assange is to be destroyed for....and of course a fascist inclined State will without question work towards hatred towards the other. I do not know what happened to people in Occupy except hearing they suffered violent policing. I have no knowledge of that turning anyone against anyone else...the First time I knew of that was during the Trump Campaign for President and it was primarily on his side. I believed he simply picked up and fed what was there. Interesting though this is it is off topic.

 

They always do.

It's their precious "message" and the more they change it by moving the goal posts, the more people get Red Pilled (wake up to the Global Deep State).

The sad part is that they went after the down trodden in our society in a big way, so these people are almost impossible to "wake up".

African Americans, LGBTQ, Feminist, Climate activists who think we are going to die .... their entire message is spread on fear and hate of "The West" and what it stands for.

But people are waking up, Trump is going to get somewhere between 20-25% of the black vote in America in 2020. One of many area's that show the Corporate Neocons and Neolibs have lost the plot. They are going down HARD

 

''The End of the World is Nigh' brigade looooooooooooool Soros busses loads of the into London - they didn't stay long.

Sure people are - some have always been awake. Yes Trump will the Democrats are awful - awful - awful.

Whilst we sit here waiting for a decision from a Frenchman to see whether we will get our long wished for Brexit next week! You couldn't make it up -----------

 

Here is the thing that really bothers me, we really are all on the same side.

We want a big economy, we want a good welfare state, we want fair trade and we want a liberal atmosphere where we can discuss policy openly.

I used to call myself a Clinton Democrat because Bill portrayed himself as the closest thing we have ever had to a Libertarian. But right now, Trump is even more to the Left than Clinton if you consider all issues including Gay Marriage, which Trump was the first to support. I don't want to argue any of this as it is all debatable, I am just trying to say, we aren't really that different from one another, it is the media that makes us hate each other.

I think Jimmy Dore is a perfect example of this, his following are amazing people, they just believe in Socialism. That's fine, cool, let's have a debate!!!! But what do the NeoCons and NeoLibs do? They LITERALLY are calling him a Russian Asset, its pathetic.

The "violent policing" from what I saw was definitely over blown, they basically just ended up leaving as we dug out of the 2008 recession. I think Tim Pool is a great person to look at as to how this happened, he is also the first person I heard say that Corporatists, which I agree are the closest thing to Fascism, were able to redirect that anger to anyone who had money.

Again, the problem is not wealthy people making money, it is a system that actively promotes making rich people more money, and poor people less.

This is done through international banking, basically making nations of The West lose their lower class "Blue Collar Workers" to China. The idea (sorry if I am repeating) was that these workers would get a degree and have a "upper class" job, but its not happening and we are just making our poor, more poor. I digress ...

The hatred from OWS was transformed into Climate Activists, BLM, Feminist Activists, LGBT activists and basically anyone that could drum up hatred away from the International Banks.

The same thing is happening with "tarriffs", the media keep lying about tarrifs in order to paint them as "bad" and get everyone to agree through their massively spouted narratives.

What do tarrifs do? They slow economic activity, LIKE ALL TAXES DO!

But who's economic activity are they slowing?

The answer is "the world's activity", yes this is true. But while we have the International Bankers and their Corporate cronies telling us "It'll slow down the economy!!!!" They keep forgetting, that speeding up the economy through their means is exactly why we have inflation and exactly why we have jobs going over seas.

We are destroying our lower classes and making them reliant on the government. Whether this is planned or not, it is absolutely what is happening.

I urge people to look at fiscal numbers for the American economy and the Global economy around 1971.

Right then is where all nations of The West, started their trade imbalances and started collecting massive debt. Debt that the banks are happy to collect interest on every year, but why, what happened?

THE BANKS CREATED THE PETRODOLLAR, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED

 

I love it!

I have been so happy watching you guys and everyone in Europe, actively rebelling against this nonsense. The fact that people are protesting against the climate activists is a beautiful thing.

Just another example of how the "narrative" is meant to divide us, get nothing done, and put money in the banks pockets.

They actively discourage discussion on climate change and pitch insanely far out ideas that make some absolutey DESPISE them, and some absolutely WORSHIP them.

All that does is create hatred, making NOTHING get done.

They spend $1.9 trillion per year on "Green Industries" which includes protesters (funny huh?). That makes it bigger than the $1.8 trillion oil industry, which is also really REALLY funny.

So $1.9 trillion, basically in marketing, marketing that divides us. What if we took that 16 year old kids invention about taking plastic out of the water?

I bet if we spent that much money on his "auto floating plastic collectors", we could eliminate plastic from the Oceans in no time.

But instead, they spread completely BS numbers, while telling everyone to call people who disagree bad names, which in the end ...... makes it so nothing gets done

 

Oil is a gift from the gods - it is an abiotic which rises from the mantle of the earth to the surface of the earth, it is god given, and it self replenishes --- but those who 'own' it do not treat it or us with respect - it is that the 'guardians of the planet' should be trying to persuade the PtB to improve but mmmmm no 'cos it is the PtB who own the silly buggers.

 

I see your point. It's valid. But the "solitary confinement" was Assange's own decision.
If Assange was a famous right wing populist red neck reactionary public figure he would
have been raked over the coals over these allegations - by the same people defending
Assange's behavior.

 

It was still an effective punishment nonetheless, even if a self-imposed one. That should be taken into account.

Assange's issue is he does not trust the justice process in the US, but why should he? He's an Australian citizen and being sought for an alleged crime he did not commit in the US, and so far all current available evidence is looking like the US is trying to have him extradited for unjust reasons, with a good chance real justice may not carry the day.

The issue is very much a controversial and divisive political issue, with some people believing he should be punished with a long time in prison for what he did, and other people believing him a hero who totally had the right to do what he did. Based on that background, why should we necessarily believe a trial would be fair?

 

Nope.
He got to smear he poop on the walls.
He needs real prison with a boyfriend.

 

I don't believe the cause of justice should be ignored just because the person in question has been accused of conducting himself in ways that may have been a bit sexually unsavory.

That's like abandoning someone to wolves just because they may not have been entirely morally pure. It's wrong.

 

Now I know you're being intellectually dishonest. You've already had it explained to you in a past thread that those allegations were very likely smear tactics from the Ecuadorian president looking to try to clear his actions in the eyes of his local countrymen and minimize loss of popularity and votes in the next election.

It's believed (by Assange supporters at least) the president was probably economically pressured by the US, but had to make up a story to save face with the voters. The Ecuadorean public was not happy with the decision to expel him from the embassy.

(haha, I just realized "smear tactics" is a pun here, it was probably unconscious)

 

Couldn't imagine Assange doing this.
Firstly it's not his personality
And second, it wouldn't help his cause.

 

On the other hand, he may have been driven crazy being trapped in there for 7 years.
Then the constant everpresent fear that he was going to be deported and spend life in prison in the US.

Certainly it was not good for his health. Have you seen the before and after pictures, before he entered into that embassy?
(lack of physical activity and mental stimulation for years, not good for the body)

It basically was, for all intents and purposes, like solitary confinement. Remember they cut off his internet access and had cameras constantly looking at him in that room.