Jullian Assange has been arrested following removal of asylum by the Ecuadorian Government

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not responsible for your fixations. The news was new. That was the news - and quit the attempt at personal attacks.
     
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    Perhaps it's the someone else that is the target and why he will end up in US custody?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree.
    It's pretty obvious Wikileaks is a form of "press" referred to in the First Amendment. It is fundamentally no different.

    It's information disseminated open and publicly, intended to have a political effect.
    (which it has)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps.

    That would be a down low dishonorable legal tactic though.

    Prosecutors have innocent people arrested all the time to coerce testimony out of them to be able to use against someone else.
    Evil, but it goes on much more prevalently than people think.
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    No, Sweden dropped the extradition request when it was clear he wasn't going to leave the embassy. One of the charges has expired due to the statute of limitations. The other more serious charge remains live until 2020 if he returns to Sweden. I don't know if Sweden can still request extradition.

    Two women were involved in the charges. Do you have a credible source for both or either of them recanting?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Swedish prosecutors also dropped the charges because further facts in the case emerged which suggested the possibility the woman may have been lying and conspired with her female friend (who had also been sexually intimate with Assange) out of resentment against him.
     
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    Got some links for that?
     
  8. PrincipleInvestment

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    Been so long I'd have to rely on google to confirm it. I'm not really concerned about the Swedish aspect at all though. The potential US SCOTUS ruling is all I care about personally.
     
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    He forced her legs apart.
    She asked him to stop.
    He didn't.
    If that isn't rape then I don't know what is.
    If this was the behavior of some right wing politician (Trump doesn't count) then people
    would be screaming for his crucifixion. Politics and truth are strange bedfellows.
     
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    Some meat on the bones - the investigation has been dropped but the charges are valid until 2020.

    http://time.com/5568366/julian-assange-wikileaks-arrest-london/

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39973864
     
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    Then perhaps you should stick to stuff you care enough about to get the facts straight.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree.

    However, the Swedish case is still relevant in as much as there are still people going around saying they don't care about Assange's fate "because he is a rapist".

    So unfortunately this case still needs to be addressed for some of these people.
     
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    So address it. Back up your claims with some facts rather than just claiming stuff you want to be true. You have made claims, now back them up.

    I don't care about Assange for a variety of reasons. The main one is that he is a sociopath who has zero concern for the consequences of his actions on anyone but him. That means that he thinks it is fine to sexually assault women, leak classified data that might ruin innocent lives and then act like a victim when people leak sensitive information about him. Someone like that should never be in possession of sensitive information.
     
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    If they send him here he'll do some time, but it won't be a life sentence. That said, IDK how I feel about it. On th
    A ludicrously laughable belief. Trump cares about Trump, that'; as far as his "compassion" goes.
     
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    Assange was offended that people published his private affairs, but why not? He did it to
    others, and some died as a result.

    Let's repeat the allegation:

    He forced her legs apart.
    She asked him to stop.
    He didn't.

    If that isn't rape then I don't know what is.
     
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    I did, I provided the link to the article in two different posts, but it appears you missed them both times.
     
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    Under US definitions it woudld be a lesser charge of "sexual assault - non penitrative" Or some "degree".
     
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    Certainly I am "fixated" with the corruption of Russia and its crushing of dissent and the truth.
    Aren't you?
    Any discussion about America or England needs to start with where the accuser stands in
    regards to Russia.
     
  21. kazenatsu

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    More stupidity.

    Please read that article.

    (too complicated to go into explanation here, the article will clarify everything)
     
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    IMO the death penalty is more humane than life in prison, which is what he will get at the hands of the US Justice (sic) Department. They will have a show trial in the finest tradition of Soviet style justice, and spend the rest of his years in the US Gulag.
     
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    Of I can just totally ignore you going forward ... I don't need validation, or permission. Internet fascists crack me up.
     
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    Sweden has dropped the charges TWICE against Assange. They no longer stand.

    The UN ruled a few years ago that he was being arbitrarily detained. The British and US governments hold themselves above the law.
     
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    It seems to me you two are arguing over nothing.
     
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