Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely 'concealed and removed'

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  1. Overitall

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    Highly unlikely. But then if the GOP follows through on their promises to investigate the investigators they might be too busy to continue being corrupt agents hiding within our (yes, it's our) government.
     
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    first sentence accurate, second is partisan gas lighting B/S, hence, simply failed intimidation by guilty players out for themselves, **** the constitution, the rule of law and country.
     
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    He inherited a thriving economy and then wrecked it with his incompetent response to the pandemic.
     
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    So you would rather believe that all those people at the DOJ are somehow corrupt than believe one man was acting outside the law

    Wow!
     
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    Not only that, but the one man isn't a lying machine even though he's a demonstrated liar.
     
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    There's a phrase for those who put the interests of a single person ahead of the collective good...
     
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    You know they had a subpoena in June right? You know Trump's attorneys at his request signed a document saying they had totes given up all the stuff right?
    You know that lying to the feds is a federal crime right?
    You know that nat def info being touched or access being had by none cleared persons is a federal crime right? You realize that's likely exactly what happened when the documents were moved?
     
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    Here's a pretty funny story (and awesome Twitter comebacks) about Gym Jordan's takeaway from the document photo this AM

    In a sea of Top Secret Docs, Gym is pointing out the Time Magazine cover in the box

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-jim-jordans-judiciary-twitter-110035672.html

    If for some reason the GQP wins the House, I simply will have to tune out the news for at least 2 full years because that assclown is unwatchable...
     
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    Trump is already guilty of obstruction by holding onto some classified documents. Anyone else would already be in jail.
     
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    I would think, if they were confident… then they would want a Special Master agreement on the record. Unless, they are fearful of a Special Master disagreement being put on the record. They are using delaying tactics. The question is why?
     
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    I'm going:

    No.... No....Probably (and it was the attorney)....No.... No
     
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    There is clear evidence (even a conviction) that FBI agents have lied to a FISA court to get a warrant to go after Trump.
     
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    Well, that's not technically true... He's guilty of obstruction by lying (or having his attorney lie in June) about having given all the documents back in response to a subpoena, then moving them from where the DOJ knew they were....

    Simply having the documents before June wasn't obstruction.... just garden variety illegal....
     
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    Complete falsehood.....
     
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    How about those neighbors I grew up with, who knew when a family fell on hard times, knew when jobs were scarce, and somehow found an excuse to help out with a casserole, , or maybe help repair the family car, or threw out a casual hint about a possible job, just saw to it that those kids got half of sandwich and some milk once in awhile for lunch or snack? Were they nosy neighbors or good caring Christian ones, who looked for an opportunity to help?

    As for self and family interest, you'd be amazed at what impacts your family, if you look a little farther down the road, than your own property line, and looked ahead a month, or a year. It also helps to anticipate patterns and figure out potential consequences to those patterns. The 'there-but-for-the-grace-of- God' mentality promotes a collective and pro-active approach to problem solving that will benefit you and your kin time and time again, even if you lack simple compassion for those outside that little protective bubble of yours.
     
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    Well there is a Midterm election right around the corner. Keeping this in the news works to the democrats advantage.
     
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    I like this contribution by the Washington post. It actually helps us decifer what we are seeing and reading so we can put this response by the DOJ in context. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=630f8609f69d437a97645cdfa7d77eb9

    "“SCI,” for example, indicates that the material is considered “sensitive compartmented information” — information that is further restricted to a subgroup of those with “secret”-level clearance.

    Then there’s the “UP TO HCS-P/SI/TK” flag. “Up to” suggests that the document includes material reaching each of the subsequent levels of classifications.

    • “HCS-P” indicates material obtained from human sources, generally meaning informants or spies. (There’s more about the “-P” qualifier here.)
    • “SI” refers to communications intelligence, generally material gathered from surveillance of online or telephone sources.
    • “TK” is short for “talent keyhole,” generally referring to satellite-based surveillance"

    • Documents 1 and 2, for example, appear to be dated Aug. 26, 2018. (The resolution of the photograph provided by the Justice Department does not allow for much additional clarity.) It’s not clear what might have occurred on that day that Trump would have wanted to preserve. (Again: If you have insight, let us know.)

      The third document is more interesting. First, it bears its own classification marking, written in text at the top of the sheet of paper. But, in this case, even that marking was obscured by the government before publishing the photograph.

      The date appears to be Wednesday, May 9, 2018. That day, Bloomberg News notes, was one day after Trump announced that the United States would be pulling out of the Iran nuclear agreement.

      Most of the other documents are obscured or redacted, limiting how much we can learn. But there is that box at right, the one in which we can see a number of picture frames, one of which shows a Time magazine cover.
      the last two of the above 'bullet points', were actually created by my post while I was trying to create an entirly new paragraph for another separate quote of this document, and I can't get rid of them. Someone needs to tell me why my laptop keeps providing them when they are not in the copy and paste.
     
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    Yes that happened. Yes that happened. Yes its a crime to lie to the feds. Yes. Yes.

    It was the attorney writing to certify on behalf of his client in the course and scope of his representation of the client, at the direction of his client.
     
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    Telling a little lie is a bit different from committing obstruction of justice in an espionage act case.
     
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    Intentionally committing obstruction of justice in a court case will get you your card pulled.

    Was your issue and the other issues something like "won't communicate with me"?
     
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    Smart attorneys know the line between advocacy on behalf of a client and acting as agent promoting an ongoing criminal enterprise to obstruct and they watch where they put those little toes of theirs very very carefully. These lawyers seemed to stomp the mud and dirt off their boots right right on that line with vigor. Nobody at the DOJ is going to vacuum that up mud and dirt up for them and the next guests to look down at the carpet, may be from the State Bar ethics committee.
     
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    Yet, a tsunami of women will be voting on the SCOTUS abortion ruling in November 2022. Fear it, it's their last chance to have an equal voice and actually be heard.
     
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    Not really. If anything they will be voting on candidates supporting abortion fully. They still will have sufficient numbers to enact Federal laws protecting abortions (highly suspect of Constitutional legalalty) or am amendment to the same.
     
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    They did not disclose or return all the classified material in the beginning. Now we are learning he moved them to avoid their discovery.
     
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    Yes, really given what so called Republicans are doing in the state houses. Women have this one chance to be heard right now Nov 2022. Any time after this, the Trump election deniers will be perverting the vote in every state house that they can and making it susceptible to partisan power grabs. Women have this one last chance in November 2022 to stop the Trump neo fascists.
     
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