Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely 'concealed and removed'

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  1. bx4

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    Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely 'concealed and removed' to block investigation

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/30/politics/mar-a-lago-justice-department-response/index.html

    So the warrant and search were at least partly aimed at obstruction. We knew that already, but now we have details. It seems that someone may have removed documents from the MaL storage room before allowing the DOJ/FBI to look at the room in June. And trump’s lawyers prohibited them from opening any boxes to actually look at what was inside.

    This is a far cry from the “complete cooperation” narrative that the trump team is spinning. Actually the opposite. Potential obstruction.

    If this is true, someone could (should) be wearing orange soon.
     
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    Didn't they acquire all of the documents when they executed the search warrant? Also, the key word at play here is 'likely'. That they used that word means that they themselves aren't entirely sure.
     
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    We are talking about prior to the search warrant when he was asked nicely on multiple occasions to give the stuff back!
     
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    Let’s hope so. This explains the needs for the search warrant. Trump’s team seems to have taken steps to hide things that were subject of the subpoena.
    That’s obstruction. A crime.
     
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    A crime…? The Stain…? Never…..!
     
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    That part of it is still the hardest to believe. Imagine a certified lawyer agreeing to an action that's criminal. While that has happened before, in 99.3% of cases, when a client asks for an action that would be criminal, first it would be advised that it is criminal(see: Cippolone, as well as Giuliani apparently advising during the 1/6 planning.), secondly the attorney would file in a court(though I don't think there's a need to file when there's no case) that the attorney in question could no longer faithfully serve, and to find new representation.

    It's just hard to believe an attorney risking their career and their own livelihood for Donald J. Trump.
     
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    Well, not soon, trials like that take a lot of time unless actual espionage and not potential espionage is involved. T**** will have plenty of time to get on the PAC's yacht and get out of territorial waters.
     
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    Have you not seen the list of lawyers that have quit his service?
     
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    It’s more likely that trump’s team deceived both his own lawyers and the FBI.
     
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    These are the same people that told us that Trump colluded with Russia, Trump planned January 6th, grabbed the steering wheel from the back seat of a car with his 8 foot arms, and a hundred other things that never happened. I don't give a **** what they say.
     
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    No reputable attorney is willing to work for trump anymore so he hires extremists and idiots who will run with whatever brain fart he spouts.
     
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    Let’s hope he still thinks the Virgin Islands are some independent nation that does not have US extradition
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    You wish the contrasts were that stark, but they weren't.

    Trump may not have been colluding with the Russians but there was very good reason to suspect that possibility based on the Russian interference that helped Trump.
    Trump may not have directly planned the riot that occurred, but he spent two months stoking people's anger with fake nonsense, planned the rally that occurred that day, stoked up the anger again during that rally, and only afterwards when it started going to **** did he say anything.
    The steering wheel thing was from one eyewitness that was interviewed by the committee. It was never claimed by the Justice Department nor anyone else but that one witness.

    And despite there apparently being hundreds of things that never happened according to you, you mention three dubious examples.
     
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    And in what part of any of that were we wrong?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
    Trump did plan Jan 6th and was indicted for it
    Him “grabbing the steering wheel” has not been disproven and by all accounts did happen
     
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    I'm far from an expert on this, but it seems to me that Trump (or his associates) are in trouble here regardless of whether these documents were "concealed and removed" or not. We know that Trump's legal representatives told the DOJ that they looked and there were no more documents and that the FBI subsequently found more. So, either (A) Trump's representatives flat out lied to the government on his behalf, which is bad news for him, or (B) someone hid the documents before the lawyers could look for them, which is pretty cut and dried obstruction.

    Maybe. I still don't see it going that way. Even if he deserves it, I'm not sure imprisoning a former president over this would be the right move, either politically or for the sake of the nation.
     
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    Of course he may think he's still the president there...
     
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    Nor has it been disproven that you grabbed the steering wheel.
     
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    Not sure where you have been for the last 5000 yrs, but lawyers do lie at times to protect their clients.
     
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    Yes it has. According to her passport she was in Laos at the time and has never actually visited the US.
     
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    In fairness, they can be disbarred if they do so knowingly.
     
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    If they didn't "allow" the DOJ to look in the boxes, why did they feel the need to remove documents in the first place??

    What a ****ing mess, from a ****ing corrupt idiot...

    There are no excuses left.... Indict and let's get it on... I don't want to hear one word about "during an election either"
     
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    I expect at some point in his reign of terror, somebody explained to him that the Virgin Islands were not what he thought they were...
     
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    I'm not sure how all of this knowledge will lead a judge to make a decision on a special master, since it really has little to do with it.

    That the DOJ has completed their review and freely identified a few (non classified) docs that could fall under AC privilege should be proof enough that a special master isn't needed here... denying T**** his delay tactic...
     
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    For an organization that doesn't discuss ongoing investigations there sure seems to be alot of discussion going on with the media behind closed doors. Or it's fake news.
     
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    Weird the accusation was made 2 months ago, under oath, the secret service said they'd respond, but crickets from those involved, under oath?
     

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