Lesbian couple share Navy's 'first kiss' homecoming honors

If a gay attends with their partner that would be attending as a couple.

You sign up for military duty. You say yes to the conditions. Gays had an extra condition they were forced to give up their loves. That was discriminatory.
Because you make the choice you are doing what you want with the same restrictions of everyone else in the military. So you are living the life you want. Is that true?

 

And here we go.

This to you then is not about "Gay Rights", but it is about beating up the military in any way you can.

Thank you for clarifying your beliefs in this subject. You object to us because to you we are all murderers in your belief.

If you want to serve, then serve. If you want to whine and cry, then whine and cry. But if you want to whine and cry, then don't serve. The two do not go together.

My unit is in the process now of kicking out such an individual. All he does is whine and cry. And after a year, he is now being kicked out for "Failure to adapt". Is he gay? We do not know, do not care. But he is not appropriate for the military, so is being shown the door next month hopefully. He is constantly on a limited duty status for "physical injuries", whenever we have to work 5 minutes past closing, he whines on how it is not fair. If we have to work on a weekend, he makes everybody miserable with his constant whining about how he had plans for that weekend (even though he spends most of his weekends sitting in his room in the barracks). And we are sick of his telling us he drove race cars (even though he is afraid to drive on the freeway), his semi-pro football career and semi-pro hockey career. He will tall you all about his uncle who is a part-owner of the Ravens, and who is going to give him a 6 figure job when he gets out.

And I think it should have happened months ago myself. But there is a snag at the moment in processing his paperwork. Because he is threatening to protest his discharge.

All recruiters of all services should have big signs on their front doors:

NO WHINERS ACCEPTED

 

I'm glad that you have been able to accept your gay friends.
The only issue I have, Mushroom, is that I don't think you understand the many benign ways we express our sexuality every day, in ways that are not demonstrative, but that could have been fatal to the career of a gay serviceperson. It was preposterous and had the result of making those who could be affected feel hunted.
I appreciate you support the repeal, but your expectation that people's sexuality never be on display is unrealistic and naive.

 

You started this line of dialogue when you said another poster he was not wanted or needed. I added that you aren't either. I certainly do see the military just as you say. I see a pack of hired guns no different than a gang of thugs on the corner especially in today's volunteer military. It was different when people were drafted. There was not a lot of choice.

My feelings about the military mean nothing to this discussion which is about gays in the military.

I see your unit as justly moving someone out who does not adapt to what is now not a discriminatory standard. That person made that choice and should adapt or move on. Failing to adapt though is not a reason to berate and individual. The choice they made was wrong for them. As you say military life is different than civilian life and unknowingly a person may not be able to make those changes.
I believe this person would be correct in protesting a bad mark on there life because they were not able to adapt. People lose jobs every day in civilian life for inability to adapt. They are not punished forever with dishonorable discharges and other nasty things hanging over their heads.

I do agree that if you sign up there should be no whining about just condition. When the practices were different for gays I can certainly understand that whining. A specific rule was set in place for gays.

 

Oh no, that is not the subject. You are claiming that gays are being kicked out for such things. So you need to show me where a homosexual was kicked out.

And I have seen several article 15 hearings against heterosexual members for "Inappropriate Conduct". A great many times. I can think of 5 times off the top of my head, each involving heterosexual conduct. And all within the last 2 years.

But you know something? I can't think of ever seeing that for homosexual couples. And if you had gone to Camp As Sayliyah or Al Udeid Air Base, it would not have been unusual to see men dancing with men, and women dancing with women. Because of the CENTCOM policies, dancing with members of the opposite sex was prohibited.

If what you claim is true, then there are thousands of people which should be kicked out for dancing with a same sex partner.

You do not get it. How would you identify them as "a couple"? Are they wearing great big shirts stating "This is my lover", with a big arrow pointing to them?

What if you take a picture of me with my arm around some guy watching such a parade. Is it my lover? My brother? Some guy I am just helping stand upright because he has had to much to drink?

You do not know. You can't know. You are trying to create a situation that falls into your classification, and having troubles doing it. Because such examples really don't exist.

What kind of coprolite is that? That is pure coprolite, without even being fossilized. What on earth makes you even think of such a thing?

Under DADT, you could be as queer as a three dollar bill. You could have whoever you want as a partner. You could even live with them.

However, you could not discuss it in public.

And BTW, do you know that under military regulations, a heterosexual talking about their sex life can also be punished? And if you did such a thing at Boeing, you would likely be fired?

Nobody was forced to "give up their love lives". If that was true, then why has there been outside of every military base I have ever served in an active gay bar scene? Drive to those bars, and walk through the parking lot sometime. Tell me how many cars have base stickers on them.

San Diego, Long Beach, Camp Lejeune, Camp Pendleton, Mare Island, Fort Rucker, Fort Bliss. I can go on and on and on. If it is as horrible as you try to make it seem, then how do you explain this? You would think that there would be CID agens at each of these, taking pictures of who went in and taking down license plates.

Then when the people went back to base Monday morning would be put on trial. But that does not happen. That has never happened, at least in the last 40 years. And probably not ever, but would love to hear of a case.

But I am pretty much done here. Unless some of the people here can come up with some factual information and not just histironic claims. Because that is about all I am seeing, Histironics.

 

What about when gays are given special favors, not allowed to heterosexuals?

And no, this is not made up, we are seeing this right now in my unit.

In the barracks, men can only room with men, women can only room with women. They can't have guests for more then a few hours, reguardless of their sex.

We have a female couple that are in my battalion. And they share a room, and have not been secret that they are lovers.

Should they be forced to swap rooms? Because they now get a privlidge that a male and female member of the military can not have. Should they be forced to move to seperate rooms, and then rent a motel room like every heterosexual military couple has had to do for decades?

When I was in the Marines, several times I had a male buddy who was also a Marine stay overnight in my barracks room. And nobody said a thing about it. But if I had my girlfriend do it, I would have been up for an Article 15 hearing so fast my feet would not have touched the floor.

 

Variations on exactly that have been happening for years, to the tune of over 600 people a year.
You didn't adequately respond to the officer attending a ball with his wife and holding her hand or dancing with her vs. the same sex couple doing exactly the same.
By the way, it's "histrionics". Not picking, just so you know.

 

You thought of five. No bad.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/dontaskdonttell/f/discharged.htm

seems like the numbers are a bit skewed in favor of the heterosexuals.

You identify them by witnessing their actions. You don't get it 12000+ gays were discharged for being gay. Not for doing a bad job. So obviously there are ways to find out or the number would not be so high.
They were forced to give up their love lives or hide them. I think I came up with the facts to illustrate just how biased the policy was.

You should do a tad of research to find out just how many gays were affected by DADT.

 

The rules for housing are not part of the discussion. If the females were in fact lovers and it was known unless they had a very lenient commander they would have been discharged. The numbers tell me so.

 

While I agree it is an attractive picture and the reaction has been mostly positive I would almost guarantee had it been 2 dudes the reaction would have been a -smidge- different.