LGBT bill to ban therapy for youth on sexual orientation issues is stalled in Mass.

Thanks for the info, just out of curiosity, how did you manage to learn so much about these programs? I only ask because you seem fixated on gay sex, as evidence by every thread you post.

 

actually I always state it to be a choice as there is no medical proof to the contrary.

When you and other homosexuals begin to claim that it might be due to x,y,or z within the brain I then ask if that doesn't define "mental illness"

When you claim that you are "born that way" I then ask given that 97% are heterosexuals, would that then not be a birth defect? And if you are born that way, then there should be a way to test for that and find a cure as well.

You become "offended" because I see it as what it is, you have sex differently and that's it.

You are a fully functional human being and it befuddles me why anyone would wish to use how they choose to have sex as a crutch or excuse. If you were comfortable in your own skin then you would not get all wee wee'd up against those who need a little help and reassurance that heterosexual sex is the correct way. How does it harm you or any other homosexual if some "young recruits", with the help of counseling, discover what event in their lives made them consider gay sex and they work through it?

The valuable service is not forced upon anyone. They must approach the counselor. If a kid didn't really want to be there, and was headstrong and determined to go and try some gay sex then they will, and counsellors know when they can't be of help.

 

If you wish, I will PM you when i create threads. You may find the threads on the economy, politics and even SEC football to be of interest and your omniscient feedback would be welcome.

 

Nope. And kids can't request leeches for a bloodletting either. They are KIDS.

 

You see it as a choice because it fits your narrative.
I see it as inherent because of life experiance.

If it was a choice why would one need therapy? You are just acknowledging that a homosexual cannot change willingly and needs "professional assistance" do to so - making it - not a choice. You have disproven yet another one of your points.

So gay people should just choose to not be gay - if they do not make this choice then society should be able to discriminate, demean, and limit their freedoms. If it does turn out to be an inborn characteristic then gays should be simply be "cured". If they do not want to be "cured" to we just go back to step one or do we just start executing them?

Attempts to limit the freedoms and happiness of others because of some irrational view offends me.
You have no power - so you don't offend me.

I've already said I am fine with kids seeking counseling. I'm not fine with the parents pushing it on them.

 

Pretending isn't an option.

AA is a failure.

If you need help don't seek wizards.

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He's likely gay himself.

I used to post the exact same type of stuff.

 

The plan is to restore what was broken by sin. In the meantime, through Christ, we don't have to be a slave to sin. People born with ANY proclivities, including same sex attraction, aren't doomed to follow them. Most would agree men are born to be promiscuous, and that the desire is there even after marriage. Does it mean we should screw everything?

 

I can make my kid go to counselling for eating, sadness, alcholism, drugs.... just not gay.... gotcha

Does making my kids get up and go to church also fall under your definition of "forcing"

what about making my kids get up and go to your state run educational institutions... does that count as "forcing" them?


or do you only define forcing them to do something they may not want to do at the time a bad thing only if you don't agree with my parenting styles.

Noone is suggesting we beat the gay out of them. But if techniques have shown success with AA, change the A #1 to G for gay, and apply the EXACT SAME TECHNIQUES... AA doesn't use shock therapy.

 

it's amazing that a thread about the state's right to dictate how to raise your child is turned into a "GOD'S NOT REAL" thread.

the true phobics of society have really made their presence known on this thread.


I think I will make my kid go to church this Sunday (when he'd probably rather sleep in) for TFM

 

didn't you claim to be a gay Christian? Funny how your faith waivers when popularity of the agenda is pushed on you....


AA is NOT a failure. It's not 100% effective, but if it helps noone else but you.... would you still call it a failure? And as long as it's not doing anything illegal to get you to stop... why would you complain or try to end AA if it helped someone else who sought out that help?

 

Please do not mentally abuse your child by filling their heads with silly notions of imaginary beings because you dislike me or feel that I have the superior argument.


Buy the way, when do you actually teach? Why is it during school hours you post here all day?

 

They claim it doesn't work, so why are they so worried that it will? They're not paying for the therapy so what's it to them if it's money down the drain. If they're so convinced that it won't work, why are they fighting it? I'll use the same argument they made for gay marriage and it's a solid argument. What impact(gay marriage) would it have on my life. Absolutely none and I don't care about it. So what impact would it have on their lives if there's ten less gay people in the world when they wake up tomorrow?

 

Dentistry isn't pleasant for anyone but we make kids go because it's for their own good and what's for their own good is for the parents to decide, as long as it isn't illegal.

 

it's about having as many kids to grow up continuing to think that you are born gay. They can't scientifically PROVE that, so now, they must legislate that and reeducate those that may want to seek out other theories as to why one might be attracted to the same gender.

I used to be sexually attracted to crazy bishes, almost 100% exclusively. Something about a bad girl that was crazy as all get out was what I wanted. Luckily, I was able to reestablish and restrengthen my relationship with God and I found another Christian that I fell in love with and have a wonderful life with.


Good thing there wasn't a law saying I was born being attracted to crazy women..... or that I wasn't allowed to seek out therapy through my church that let me see that I could change myself.

and amazingly, despite what the lefties imply here.... my pastor didn't use shock therapy or something like waterboarding, or make me feel stupid while counseling me. They did it with love and said I had to be the one that changed.

 

this is why there is a mad rush to make gay therapy illegal.


They can't be having all these kids that would have ended up thinking that they were born gay, believing they have the power to change. That won't get democrats any votes

 

The pray it straight, god made you gay but we can fix you therapy will still be available to adults who are silly enough to believe that such therapy, long discounted as made up crap, can help heal their self loathing.

The sad thing is there is no evidence sexual orientation is something that can be changed.

 

I never made that claim - and I do not think homosexuality is in the same category as an eating disorder.

If the child does not want to go, yes - that is you forcing your ideals upon them.
You are not allowing them to find God, you are forcing it upon them.

Nope, private institutions typically provide superior educational programs so I would prefer your children there.

Your parenting styles are irrelivant to me - the state however has a vested interest

So you think homosexuality is an addiction?
I am pretty sure people realize their attraction long before any action; I have never met an alcoholic that has never had a drink, have you?

I am not of the opinion that one is born gay; however, I do not believe one chooses to be either.
Your opinion that people are not born gay is nothing more than that - an opinion, yet you feel it is your right to assert that opinion as fact.
Science has yet to prove what causes attraction - multiple theories (none of them involve choice) but no concrete evidance. Remember, they can't scientifically prove religious affiliation or belief - would you be opposed to non religious parents seeking therapy for their child that has taken to religion?

That's wonderful, I am glad you have found happiness and stability in your life. What this comparison has to do with same sex couples I am unsure. Why do you wish the opposite for gay couples, irregardless of choice?

A crazy person leads to an unstable and rocky relationship.
A homosexual person does not necessarily.

That is not typically the way aversion, conversion, or reprieve therapy works.

 

Then why fight it? What do you care what a parent spends his money on.

 

Because I am against mentally abusing children.

 

What if he offers you $20 and a sandwich?

 

We get it. You, like me, are an atheist.

However, religion has been proven to be effective in some areas. Another poster above mentioned AA. That program has help countless people who turn to 'god'.

Also, I may be atheist, but I'm not going to sh*@ on other folks who do believe in god. If they want to go to church, sing songs about God, even preach about it on TV. Go for it! It's just not my thing.

 

The parents will still be able to take their children to church to pray the gay away. The only thing this law is attempting to remove is licensed medical professionals practicing uncredited therapy. This is about licensing laws.
Many psychological organizations have pointed to the harm caused by repreave therapy:

American Academy of Pediatrics (1993)
“Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation.”

American Psychoanalytic Association (2000)
“Psychoanalytic technique does not encompass purposeful efforts to ‘convert’ or ‘repair’ an individual’s sexual orientation. Such directed efforts are against fundamental principles of psychoanalytic treatment and often result in substantial psychological pain by reinforcing damaging internalized homophobic attitudes.”

 

Makes sense. Imaginary gods are good for making gays straight, right?

 

it worked for this guy

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gay-conver...w-im-happily-married-heterosexual-dad-1443188

 

I have no idea. I'm just pointing out that it's effective in some areas.