LGBT bill to ban therapy for youth on sexual orientation issues is stalled in Mass.

Gay conversion therapy is not a therapy, nor is it a treatment. Pretending that things akin to cutting off the heads of chickens while chanting to the moon gods to bring a good harvest, or in this case make your boy like girls, being a peer to cancer treatment is silly. It is not anything close to the same thing., One is adherence to mythological rituals due to bigotry and ignorance, and the other is a medical treatment.

 

and there are factual stories of those who kicked the habit of the gay lifestyle and went on to live rich and full normal lives.

As your opinion so obviously reflects, you wish to ban something just because you don't like it.

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hmm, so speaking to a teenager about why they are curious to try some gay sex is akin to electrodes on the body?

 

And you want brainwashing against something just because you don't like it.

Right?

 

There are factual stories or people who have done a lot of crazy things. Some who convinced themselves they are chickens We should not follow their lead.

 

Are there? Isn't the therapy to magically make folks not guy? Not this "gay lifestyle" nonsense?

 

Purely your opinion. Someday that child may look back and say thanks Mom and Dad. You wish it were so because you see normalcy in numbers and you wish to raise the gay population to that of a third gender so to speak. No defectors allowed. You'll have to settle for tolerance from the straights even though you show no tolerance to others. The cry is "stay out of my bedroom". So "stay away from my family". This bill will never pass.

 

It is not just my opinion. It is the opinion of both APA's, the AMA, NASW, AAMFT and the entire psychiatric community. These are the professionals. We should listen to them not you.

 

The virulently homophobic will never trust psychiatric medicine.....can you guess why or shall I PM you the answer?

 

Let me guess. It might weaken their fragile defenses and they come out as gay?

 

A few unsourced anecdotes do not make a fact, however I have a list of 12 peer reviewed studies that back up my comments that conversion therapy does not help and in fact may harm.

http://tcp.sagepub.com/content/32/5/651.abstract
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359700802111072#.VrPSJMtVhBc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24635593
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23688310
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359705.2013.773268?journalCode=wglm20
http://www.drdoughaldeman.com/doc/TherapeuticAntidotes.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359705.2010.544186
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J236v05n03_09
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2002-01066-003
http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7437/427
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359705.2010.506412

So no, I don't wish to ban something just because I don't like it, I wish to ban it because it can be harmful.

 

Toying with the mind can be dangerous, therefore, anti-Gay reparative therapy is a No-No.

 

I am not sure if anyone bothered to click on the links on the crap article in the OP, but this is the story of the guy fighting to keep this mental abuse of children in the name of Jesus legal.

This clown was apparently magically made straight after someone declared he was not gay. Now that is some therapy right there.

I myself was molested by homosexual or "down low" men when I was a teenager. For a few years afterwards, I thought I might be gay or at least bisexual. If a therapy ban were in effect back then, all I would have heard from a therapist would have been affirmation and encouragement to go ahead and live a gay life. This would have been SO WRONG for me! I would have proceeded to live a life contrary to my very own nature. The mental dissonance would have roared cacophonously. Rather, a counselor friend of mine whom I got sexually involved with one day said point blank, "You're not gay". It was that simple. Those words would not be possible under H97 and what will surely follow it if it's passed, because everybody with counseling credentials would be forbidden to say such things under penalty of losing those credentials and their livelihood. So, this fellow said those simple words, and all I had to do was reflect a while to know he was right. The confusion caused by molestation/seduction was dispelled forever.

 

are you in the correct thread? This is about counseling

 

bisexuals can learn to hide their homosexual side, but they are always bisexual....

we could test it though, do you think they could get you to be sexually attracted to the opposite gender you are now attracted too

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the question must be asked correctly

is it possible for me or any other man to stick willy where the good lord never intended for it to go?

The answer is absolutely

Now, is it possible for me to become a white male? Absolutely not

One is a choice the other is how we are born.

 

Kid tells school counsellor he thinks he's gay and wants help being gay. Counsellor, not obligated to tell parents, sends kid to gay camp. This is perfectly acceptable to the heathens.

Kid tells youth pastor he thinks he's gay and wants help not being gay. Youth pastor, with parents' consent and help, sends kid to reparative therapy. Heathens go apesheeeat.

 

so you do not believe God created everything and that Gays are just as much a part of God's plan as everyone else?

 

So you are a bisexual - that's fine.
For a heterosexual male what you describe would be impossible.

 

huh?

willy can be placed into lots of things and not just another male

We're talking about the homosexual activists trying to ban therapy which helps youngsters understand that normal sex is the way to go.

Does it really bother you if there is one less person who chooses the gay lifestyle?

 

cute comic but God doesn't make people choose gay sex.

You imply that one is born wanting gay sex and there is no medical proof to support your claim.

The therapy that your activists wish to ban is for those who think that they want to try some gay sex but aren't sure or even know that it's wrong and just need some help and guidance.

Why are you so afraid to let those teenagers receive counseling which reaffirms to them that a normal heterosexual life is best?

 

You're not asking me, but...

The Biblical view is that the world is broken by sin, which includes birth defects, disease, famine, death, and even predisposed sexual orientation. It is not contrary to Biblical belief that people are born gay, no more than it's contrary to Biblical belief that people are born with three toes or with Autism or whatever abnormality. Whatever biological forces at work that do contribute to same sex attraction are no different than biological forces than may contribute to many different kinds of human behavior, sexual or otherwise.

This is, in my view, the correct Biblical perspective. How does that translate into how I treat people? Easy. If you think your body is biologically predisposed to any other behavior that is hazardous to your health, you'd try not to do it despite your urges. I think some of these people have the potential to give to God an extraordinary gift of celibacy, knowing the action is contrary to His will for them. Some of them, including many women who never harm children, become clergy for this very reason.

 

I love me some gays. Spent a couple hours this afternoon with some good old lesbians in fact. That one kept finding all the similarities between me and her gal weirded me out a little though, but I digress. I would vote against these laws. I do not believe in trying to pretend to be smart enough about medicine and psychology to even consider putting any arbitrary barrier like this up.

 

all part of God's plan right, God created everything and has a plan for everyone

 

A heterosexual male cannot function - you know, down there - with another male.

The therapy is not endorsed by any recognized medical or psychological association and has been proven to do damage to the child who is usually coerced by fearful parents. So let's not call it therapy...

I wish it was as easy as a choice - I really do

If it is a choice why would they need therapy?

You have stated homosexuality is a sin, an addiction, a conscious choice, an unconscious choice, a disease, a birth defect, and a curable ailment. It's quite amazing the mental gymnastics you are capable of to justify your position.