Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds

What you replied to was not me replying to your post. Here is my information.

Please post your information with links so we may all discuss. I'm interested.

 

Regardless of personal responsibility his last ambulance ride and stay in the hospital cost the taxpayer big time. I just want to know what people think is a good practical legal solution. I personally think give him free antibiotics on the spot when the diagnosis was made would have been the best course of action. It would have saved everyone a lot of pain and money... obviously others disagree.

Hope Japan is treating you right.

 

That didn't slip by me. It always comes back to that, because frankly, it has to. If you are going to have all the medical care in the country paid for by the government, it's going to have a budget. Since the need for healthcare is pretty much unlimited and budgets aren't, you have rationing. Every country that the left touts as having universal healthcare also rations that care.

Surely I'm not the only one who heard the President's speech in April. His solution to Ryan's Medicare reform was rationing via the IPAB.

But rationing has been part of the administration's healthcare plans from the beginning.


Of Course It's Rationing

 

Yeah....."nuanced"..... liberal code for.... hypocrisy.

 

This mans death means is meaningless, no one will even remember his name next week, his irresponsibility for his own life is just a cycle news story the left will use for their stupid agenda.

Thousands of people die every day, this guy died from being stupid

 

I have news for you. The Ryan plan has rationing. You are limited to $15,000 of healthcare/year. In no model is healthcare unlimited. It just depends on what your rationing methodology is.

 

And imagine if the same percentage of the white population was as on welfare and relied on government handouts to live on. Our country would have fallen apart long ago.

 

Me>> If I choose not to spend money on health care that is available to me and die early how does that show that the health care system is no good, I didn't use it.

Fail..........

 

I'm not doing the racial thing with you in this thread. Race bait with someone else.

 

Your source was the UN 2007. The UN numbers have been debunked many times over. The UN is, and always has been full of (*)(*)(*)(*). Here's some better detailed numbers:

and more:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/us_life_expectancy_were_number_1/



We are number one. We also lead the world in cancer survival rates. Apparently you did not know that as well.

In any case, you can take all the Cuba crap. All the Iceland crap. Etc. And toss it.

Getting back to the original topic here, we have an idiot who died because he was stupid. Not because of our healthcare. We can't fix "stupid". But we can start to defund it.

 

You are limited only by how much you want to spend of your own money on top of the $15,000. The plan also brings in competition as the service is still supplied by private companies.

 

The libs idea of healthcare is defined by how much of their own care they can have others pay for. Changes the dynamic completely.

 

Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
And imagine if the same percentage of the white population was as on welfare and relied on government handouts to live on. Our country would have fallen apart long ago.

How could I be race baiting when I was responding to YOUR statement

Originally Posted by Inphormer View Post
The largest group of poor people on welfare are rural whites not "ghetto" black people.

Running away from it now?

 

I would agree that no healthcare model is unlimited, however the decisions that are currently being made in the UK and other "progressive" countries to cut off care currently wouldn't be accepted in this country. In fact, the President made clear in his health care town hall that he wouldn't accept for his grandmother the lack of care he is trying to impose on everyone else's grandmother.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/Story?id=7920012&page=2

And I don't want it for my parents either.

 

If you read my plan I said the same thing. The only thing that was rationed was government expenditure once doctors determined any further intervention was of little or no benefit. At that point the government stopped paying. After that you were on your own.

The problem is the Ryan plan sets an arbitrary limit of $15K a yr. Meaning you can spend 15K a year frivolously (laser eye surgery, cosmetic surgery) and then when you need 20K of healthcare in one year you're 5K short. That makes no sense.

 

That's the problem. I don't really have much hope my plan would be implemented. Bill Clinton lent Paul Ryan a sympathetic ear because he knows we are going to run out of money. He knows we are going to have to do some form of rationing. Clinton also knows anyone sticking their neck out and telling the truth is going to get slammed. Call it a "death panel" or rationing but somewhere at some point in time someone is going to have to turn off the government spigot of money.

 

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I disagree, if you put yourself in a situation, why should others have to pay for it?

 

Well the general point of my argument wasn't altruism for the guy. Its the fact that giving him antibiotics free in the first place would have helped avoid the expensive ambulance ride and hospital admission when he started to succumb to his illness. Once he died in the hospital we the taxpayer got stuck with a much larger bill than if we had simply given him the antibiotics in the beginning. Its a purely selfish decision from our point of view. It happens to save the guys life but my main point is it would be cheaper for us.

 

No. It was not "arbitrary". It was budgeted. Libs are no longer going to get unlimited access to Other People's Money (OPM).

Secondly, and far more importantly, the $15K was primarily to be used to purchase an insurance plan. It was not for the straight purchase of needed care. Thus, just as with current insurance, someone who needed $20 K in care would get it, as somewhere else someone who paid for similar coverage only used $10 K.

The ignorance of the libs in this thread is quite nauseating.

 

He died because he was stupid. He had access to virtually free antibiotics already. Like other libs here, you have drawn the most unfounded conclusions to support a mantra that is pure nonsense.

You got a cure for stupidity ? Then maybe you got something.

 

Ultimately, people have to take care of their own problems.

 

LOL!! so they should go beg a government official?

roads and health care are NOT the same thing..roads are impersonal infrastructure used the same way by everyone, health care on the other hand should NOT be impersonal and no person requires the exact same health care another does.

 

ok...so the government tells you what to 'invent' and how to invent it?? how do they know what the standard is going to be?

and if they already know all that, it isn't an innovation..

 

it's the result of insurance companies coming in..the same thing is happening with vets.