Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds

If the man had taken care of his own personal well being, we would not have had pay for the ambulance to begin with. When people are given a blank check, and told they do not have to be personally responsible for anything, they tend to be careless and unmotivated to improve their situation.

 

what the strawman $1000 medicine thing didn't work so now you are off on this one?

what was the phrase "beating a dead strawman"...

why is it bothering you so much that we are discussing this man?

 

Calm down and just explain your point. First of all what is arbitrary is the $15K a year fixed amount. Some people will only need a $10K a year insurance plan for several years. Then they may need a $15K plan for a few years and they they may need a $20K plan for a few more. In the years they need a $20K plan they will be short.

I guarantee you numerous patients will NOT be able to get insurance for $15K a year and they will be poor living on a fixed income.

My suggestion was to ration care based on science not just crunching numbers and spitting out a one size fits all voucher each year.

 

LOL!!

drats...I can't rep you again...I owe you one!

 

The guy is dead. How much more unmotivated can he be?

The fact of the matter is if you ever work in a hospital you will see this situation time and time again. This is the reality Clinton, Obama, Ryan, Gingrich, et al have to deal with. We cannot deal with the world that we wish existed. We have to deal with the world that actually exists.

 

You have already shown that you do not know what you are talking about. The Ryan plan allows for folks to defer expenses in years they do not use their full allotment, ie sandbag what they do not use. Further, there is nothing to stop folks from spending above and beyond what the gubmit gives them out of their own pocket. You are stuck on some notion that the gubmit must cover all for all. That is rubbish. And liberal.

Nanny state is over.

 

A nutritionist can lead a horse to water, but...

LOL, you trust a Communist government to accurately report their statistics?

Remember that Cuba reports a very low infant mortality rate, but their mortality rate among children who are no longer infants is obscenely high. I wonder why...

The fact that they work out for 2 hours per day and eat virtually nothing but fish and rice is also something to consider.

South Africa, Botswana, Cuba, and other countries are also pretty far off the curve.

Yeah, that's one of the effects of lying about your demographics.

It can be. However, most suicidal people are not mentally ill, and most mentally ill people are not suicidal.

Correction: The only first-world country without universal health coverage.

Nobody is denying that.

And massive conservative stupidity. It's less of a problem, but a problem nonetheless.

There was no mention of race/color in the post you're replying to.

I'm happy to see that it's catching on!

 

I've posted multiple times already that I do NOT think that the government should cover all medical expenses for all people. Secondly I have also posted multiple times in this thread that people should NOT be restricted in spending their own money on healthcare. I don't know how else to say it. Please READ the thread.

 

Read the poster's clarification.

 

*roll eyes*

so according to you if only they had given him $1000 in a super dee duper special antiobotic of YOUR choice, they would have saved the $800 ambulance ride...

yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense...

you do know we are laughing at your posts, right?

You want to give the man free $1000 antibiotics before he goes to the hospital; not sure HOW we are supposed to know he NEEDED them before he presented himself to the hospital...the OP didn't say that he went in an ambulance but ok, maybe we could just mail some to every household in the nation...

 

yeah, you don't want to go there...

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yes they do..as do the surviving family members.

what do you think a will is?

 

injest, as a homosexual I know either you or at least some of your friends are on tens of thousands of dollars a year of anti-retrovirals courtesy of the US tax payer, so you may want to take it easy on all that noise. I've been trying to be polite and ignore the elephant in the room but its getting to be too much. You guys are costing us billions of dollars a year. I think it is you and your friends in the "lifestyle" that need to learn some personal responsibility and quit finding other groups in society to dump on.



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fortunately they are too obvious to ignore..

 

well they should give them some of those $1000 magic pills you were trumpeting earlier...oh wait, NOW you are a big advocate of Cuba and cheap solutions...or have you found another strawman to beat?

 

oh the siren call of every teenager..."but MOOOOOMMM all the OTHER kids are doing it!"



how do you think it is going to be any better when we not only pay for all those illegals but all the new people added on under Obamacare?

 

well we understand that the voices in your head have reached a consensus several times but you haven't convinced me that we have a problem in the US

not based on THIS fools death.

and I would say that if I choose to go skydiving that would affect my life expectancy, if I choose to eat bacon for every meal, that would affect my life expectancy...it's silly to suggest a person can't affect their life expectancy with their choices.

 

and here we have a perfect example of Liberal racism...he uses race in one sentence then admonishs the other side for the exact thing HE just did...

liberalism IS a mental disorder...

BTW...a oped from Time is not all that convincing...Time has shown they have no editorial integrity.

 

ROTF!! and now a little homophobia!!!

now that isn't very Progressive of you.

thanks for your concern but I am a straight mother (married now for almost thirty years) of a gay son that is in a monogamous relationship with his childhood best friend. I have ONE friend that is HIV positive and he lives in Canada, so don't worry about him..

do your friends over there on the Left know you have these views regarding homosexuality?

 

injest, again need I remind you, you are a homosexual. You are a man who has sex with men. No doctor is this country would touch your organs with a ten foot pole if you tried to give them away for free. This is NOT something you have to worry about.

Don't feel too discriminated against though they don't take organs from anyone that has lived in Europe for 5+ years.

 

I don't have any "views" regarding homosexuality. Everything I said is factual. If your son is homosexual you may not want to rail against government healthcare. Its the only thing standing between gays and the apocalypse.

I have some socially conservative views. I was raised Christian and I don't condone the "lifestyle." It doesn't prevent me from working with gay people or interacting with them.

Just because I don't engage in risky sexual behavior doesn't mean I'm oblivious to the fact that it goes on. I think its irresponsible but that doesn't keep me from endorsing tax payer funded Ryan White funding. I do NOT say just let the gays kill themselves the way Reagan did, because then we would have an even bigger epidemic and it would spread even further into the heterosexual community. I realize it is cheaper for me to pay my taxes and have the government take a proactive roll in treating people that engaged in irresponsible sexual behavior. It is cheaper in the long run. I don't denigrate gays and tell them they should die in the street. Its not because I like what they do. Its because it makes financial sense for me as a tax payer to see everyone with HIV properly treated and monitored.

No emotion, no morality, no ideology, just basic simple math.

 

Given that you are a woman and a mother and a mother of a son in the "lifestyle" I am shocked at the remarks you have made in this thread. There is a distinct possibility that your son at some point in his life will be on 100% tax payer funded healthcare. Are you going to lecture him the way you've lectured us? Have you ever seen someone die of HIV? I have. Its not pretty. You may want to develop a bit more compassion. The situation in this thread could strike close to home.

Good luck to you and your son and sorry for the confusion. I will be thinking about this exchange for a long time.

 

no, you just assume they are all diseased sluts. Nice!

There are homosexuals that live the same kind of 'lifestyle' I do, with committed partners, working regular jobs...not all gay people are like your little stereotype.

 

no one can know the future, I am very happy we have the kind of system that allowed drug companies to develop those drugs that have prolonged so many lifes..Unfortunately under the system YOU advocate there would be none of those drugs.

 

No. In the jobs I have had I deal with cold raw data. No assumptions.

There is a lot you don't seem to know about your son's chosen lifestyle. Like I said you may not want to denigrate taxpayer funded Ryan White funding. It may be the only thing keeping someone close to you alive in the years to come.