MSNBC medical contributor tells Americans to start wearing masks again after uptick in COVID hospita

Those models have discredited by the real world data.

The fatalities were the result of the preconditions. Healthy people are at very low risk to the virus.

Transmission to healthy people is meaningless.

 

You mean the papers that underwent multiple peer reviews, investigations and were found to be correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph_(global_temperature)

 

Bunkum! Conspiracy theorist rubbish! Just because you have a pre existing condition does not mean you will curl your toes in the next couple of weeks or even years

 

They were not found to be correct. Who wrote ghe Wikipedia article?

 

But if you become infected with the very mild Covid virus you are in serious trouble. And that is why those with those serious preconditions and those around them must be very careful. Although this was known very early on unfortunately public health officials in the United States and other countries did not widely communicate this until ~ 2 years the initial outbreak in early 2020.

 

I asked you to supply a credible source to prove your crap conspiracy claim. Provide the "real world data" and a credible source!

Utter hogwash. "You seem to be making the utterly absurd suggestion that the huge fatalities were not caused by the virus. But suddenly all these preconditions caused hospitalization and fatality!? "

Now answer that properly! Are you claiming that a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions suddenly occurred and that the covid-19 virus was not the cause? All of a sudden every hospital ward in the world was full of people NOT affected by the virus?

So what! Low risk of 0.01% for a 40 year old is still tens of thousands from a global pandemic.

Hogwash again. Are you suggesting that every death from the virus was a precondition?
False claim: All patients who die of COVID-19 have serious health problems  | Reuters
"Scientists believe genetic susceptibility or the amount of virus that infects a person could cause some young and healthy people to die of the disease (here, here, here).

The latest Office for National Statistics figures reveal just under a tenth of all COVID-19 deaths in England and Wales in March and April had no pre-existing health conditions (here, here)."

 

Look up thread. All of this has been discussed before ad infinitum.

 

You speak of academic rigor and reference a Wikipedia link?

 

Wikipedia, though not advisable as a direct reference does in itself supply external references for most of its content. Those who dismiss it usually do so when they don't like what it says.

 

So you are making statements and refusing to back them up! The never ending saga of evasion from conspiracy theorists!

1. You claim that only those with preconditions are likely to die. False.
2. You make the claim that people died of these conditions yet absurdly show no reason for a worldwide spike in hospitalization!
3. You suggest data is "discredited" yet supply no credible alternative.
4. Bizarrely you claim that Wiki doesn't provide valid data, when conspiracy websites (where you seem to obtain your views) have the credibility of Santa Claus.
5. You suggest only the elderly with preconditions are at risk when people of all ages, many with no health issues, have died worldwide.

You cannot understand the major flaw in your claims, if you say Covid-19 is not the cause, explain number 2 above, that you have "discussed ad infinitum"!

 

Those who claim academic rigor don’t use Wikipedia as a source. Who wrote the Wikipedia article?

Trad the book “The Hockey Stick Illusion” for a complete documentation of the bristlecone tree ring data fallacies.

 

I and many others have backed them up multiple times on this and other forums before. Not interested in repeating all that. I provided a list of books upthread. If you are interested read those. .

 

No you have not. If you continue to make conspiracy noise and refuse to back it up, it shows how useless your claims are. It would literally take anyone a couple of minutes to answer my points, but you play the "already done it" card. That's evasion.

Why are you continuing to post in this thread then? Particularly as it is completely off topic anyway!

Books? Are you for real!?

Batshit is never interesting.

 

You have everything you need. I am not interested in repeating everything.

 

You have no reply because it is totally damn obvious that mass global hospitalization was not a result of "pre-existing conditions"!

Covid-19 virus caused this and anyone who even hints at suggesting otherwise is in full denial. You demonstrate everything that is wrong with conspiracy theorists.

1. You make claims that are clearly wrong.
2. You fail to back them up.
3. You deny evidence by questioning its credibility, whilst refusing to supply any alternative.
4. You are afraid to respond properly because you simply haven't though this through properly!

Why are you posting in this thread then! What has this crap got to do with new potential advice to wear masks? Are you a mask denier as well!?

 

I and many others have backed up everything I've said. Read the references I have provided upthread.

 

Off topic, backed into a corner and we get total evasion. He can't even give an answer that would take maybe a minute to type. It's all "up thread" and I've got to go find these answers, even though he's still raising the same claims!

MEH!

You have no reply because it is totally damn obvious that mass global hospitalization was not a result of "pre-existing conditions"!

 

Berenson, Alex. Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives (pp. 53-55). Regnery Publishing. Kindle Edition.

 

Berenson, Alex. Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives (pp. 141-142). Regnery Publishing. Kindle Edition.

 

Which part of my statement about "batshit not interesting me" confused you?
Which part of my simple statement (below) do you think this oblique crap addresses?

You have no reply because it is totally damn obvious that mass global hospitalization was not a result of "pre-existing conditions"!

Are YOU, not the book from the crank, YOU, suggesting that hospitals suddenly began filling up through these pre-existing conditions and that it wasn't directly caused by Covid-19? Dead simple question, doesn't require an off topic and useless book quote as a response.
Alex Berenson Archives - FactCheck.org - Misrepresentation of Germany’s Data on Unverified COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects - FactCheck.org
"We’ve written several stories about false and misleading claims that distort the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. VAERS, run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, serves as an early warning system to detect potential safety problems with vaccines. Anyone can submit a report, and in many cases, health care providers are required to file a report of symptoms that occurred following vaccination, as we’ve explained.

The reports don’t mean that the symptom was necessarily caused by the vaccine, but the reports allow government scientists to detect, and then investigate, potential safety issues. After more than 600 million vaccine doses in the U.S., serious adverse events linked to the vaccines have been rare.

Germany has a similar vaccine safety reporting system that is now being misrepresented in the U.S. by two popular purveyors of misleading information on the COVID-19 vaccines.

Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has wrongly used VAERS data in the past, said in a July 20 Substack post: “This morning, the German Federal Ministry of Health posted a stunning tweet, admitting that 1 out of every 5,000 Covid jabs cause ‘serious side effects.'” He claimed the statistic “implies that almost 300,000 Americans and Europeans have suffered severe side effects after receiving mRNA shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna.”

He also posted on Instagram: “The German government admits hundreds of thousands of people have had severe side effects following mRNA shots.”

If you think such a person is credible, there lies your problem. He isn't. He's out to make a buck from the gullible. That was one example from countless dodgy statements from him!

Oh, and all this? Is WAY off topic!

 

The story is in the pudding when friends, family and business associates did not come down with Covid, and many of them unvaccinated.

 

See those little numbers in the quote from the book. They are called footnotes. They identify the sources of the information.

It’s obvious that you are adverse to thinking for yourself and let others on the internet do your thinking for you. Sad to see but very common these days.

Read Dowd’s book about the adverse reactions to Covid vaccines including data from VAERS and who inputs the data into the data base.

 

What gets my goat (nice slang? lol) is it appears a large number of folks think others will believe what they say on the web, and of course reinforced with a link and ‘likes’.

Me? The primary purpose of the web is for research and learning, and checking multiple sources. What I question most often is what democratic/leftist office holders say is necessary and must be done.

 

Berenson reported correctly on July 20 what the German Federal Ministry of Health reported on July 20. They later tried to walk that back and later walked it back even further. There is no proven causality in the correlation of serious side effects. That takes time. But it is absolutely the responsible thing for an investigative reporter to communicate an alarming statement by the German Federal Ministry of Health on vaccine side effects. If you had actually done some basic investigation on this yourself you would have saved yourself embarrassment.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/s...-on-unverified-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/

 

That is why I prefer to rely on books. There is a reason why there are no books on the success of the lockdown but only internet articles. The lockdown cannot be defended in a 300 page book. Only internet articles.