It is pointless, but a good example of the twisted, pointless, "thought" patterns typical of these clowns.
YEP, they cant see or admit the the majority of aussies want nothing to do with the lefts policy's...they would rather invent a conspiracy theory
ADSL2+ is currently 24Mb/s - they're not spending 28bn to gain 1Mb/s. Turnbull had a very interesting interview with Albanese, made it pretty clear that his service would offer 100MB/s @400m from the node (not exchange, the node). the last ~400m of copper is insignificant compared to the kilometers of wiring your net currently goes through. Additionally, businesses who require very high bandwidth are free to have FTTP setup on their own backs. The difference is that the individual wanting the home connection has to pay for it under the Coalition's plan, while everybody pays for it under Labor's. I guess now the election's over it's out of our hands, and we'll just have to see what ends up happening.
Despite what phony and Turnbull say, there is $10billion difference between the two policies! The FTTN will only give speeds up to 1/10th of labors! The copper network costs 100's of millions to maintain each year, it is something rediculous! Fibre requires no maintenance unless it has been damaged unnaturally! There is absolutely no use one end having high speed while the other doesn't! FTTP will cost around $1000 under labors plan, whereas connecting FTTP under the coalitions plan will cost each home or business around $6000.00 each!
PKW, show me some sensible proof that Abbott hates women. Not hysterical mush, real proof. Something that would convince the grownups. - - - Updated - - - PKW, show me some sensible proof that Abbott hates women. Not hysterical mush, real proof. Something that would convince the grownups.
LOL that will never ever happen...it was nothing but a hate campaign by the red headed trolls imported spin master!
The headless chooks went for it though. The ALP/union controllers have some very soft putty to work with.
I don't think Abbott hates women, that's a sort of nasty meme that has circulated without much currency. However I do think Abbott has a reactionary view of the role of women in society, that I think is an entirely different situation and it will be interesting to see how it pans out if I'm right. One of the things that got me thinking about this was the Coalition or Abbott parental leave policy.
Regardless of your political persuasion, surely you can see beyond your own small agendas, and realise that one person owning 70% of Australia’s media is not a good thing. I just wonder if you would have the same narrow minded thoughts and agendas, if a foreign company owned 70% of Australia’s electricity companies or gas companies? Doesn’t this kind of monopoly GO BEYOND common place political fanatism?
You're right culldav, Murdoch is the schoolyard bully, once someone stands up to him it's all over. But who will do so? Murdoch's people know everything about our politicians, no wonder none of them want to take him on.
I'm not loyal to either party. I despise them both. The coalition's plan claims to provide at least 50Mbit to 80% of the population - and those within 400m of the node (the average is 500m) - will likely approach 100Mbit - homes in new communities (~20%) will have potential access to 1000mbit. Now, I recognize that politicians lie all the time, and even though I think Turnbull is one of the good guys who actually knows his stuff about technology, I'm under no illusions. However, I don't limit my skepticism to one party. Labor's claimed costings are just as much, if not more so, up for debate. It has become a bit of a he-said, she-said. Albanese was sitting on the up to date report when he knew it contradicted his public message - he claimed it was due to it being just a draft, fair enough, but he has a duty to enlighten the public as soon as possible, and he never did such a thing. Turnbull promised to quickly release the NBN's full costings if they won government - so I guess we'll see either way. [hr][/hr] PS: $6000? First it was $5000, now it's up to $6000. In reality, it will cost up to $5000, and this is nothing out of the ordinary - it reflect construction costs which Labor's NBN still pays, but it pays collectively, with no mind to whether or not the taxpayer is actually using the service. Therein lies the biggest difference between the two plans - the Coalition's is paid for by individuals, Labor's with other people's money. Anyway, British consumers pay between $300 and $5250 for a similar service - the higher end figures most often come into play with remote properties and businesses. This is beside the fact that it will not cost you anything other than telco monthly fees to get at least 50mbps FTTN, as 80% of Australians would. I'm a gamer and film buff - I download a lot of stuff - I'm with iiNet and get 1TB/month. My current speed on ADSL2+ is ~1MByte/s - or about 8Mbit/s. This speed generally works fine for me - sure I'd like some more for those large games (Rome II I'm looking at you!) - and 50Mbit would definitely fit that bill. This is me, can you imagine most households? Most people download a few songs from iTunes and watch Youtube - such an insignificant minority will actually want FTTP - mostly businesses and tech enthusiasts - which is why they should have to pay a little extra for the privilege. Politifact did a nice write up on the claim: http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-...gillard-says-coalitions-nbn-will-cost-househ/ [hr][/hr] Idk, I'm a pretty apoltitical guy, but this seems an issue that there's actually a clear difference on.
Thank-you and that was the point I was making - less about who won or lost but more about the influence that one person has on the average vote
So the average voter out there ( unless of course they are rusted on lefties ) all had their mind made up by Murdoch? Bwahahahhahahha no really....bwahahhahhahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahhahhahahhahh
Potential is extremely important and as you point out regarding potential speeds of up to 1000mb/s > via fibre, we would be super stupid to simply not spend the extra 10billion(based on proposed costings that haven't been legitimately disputed) to ensure maintenance free infrastructure that should have us above the game for years to come. My only concern would be satellite innovation, which will apparently never be as quick as hard wired! As you would appreciate, the gaming industry is worth billions, so it is a monstrosity of an industry that we simply overlook. Australia has potential but not capacity and this is one industry worth getting our nation massively involved in. It is not about what we can cope with now but what will be required for the future! Potential, potential, potential. Limiting our internet capacity is like having a low expectation of every school student in the nation, it would have catastrophic consequences. This is the most visionary nation building policy for quite some time, and unfortunately one the coalition decided to copy but with a watered down version for politics sake. The coalition didn't even have a thought for such a scheme!
Labor's costings haven't been disputed, but they haven't been substantiated either. It's a game of he said-she said, based on the economic assumptions. Now the Coalition has access to such things first hand, and either Turnbull is going to break his promise, or he'll release full, independent costings of the NBN as is during this caretaker phase. Either way we'll have someone to get angry at soon enough. This isn't the crux of the issue, however - as there's the larger issue of who should pay for it, as we'll discuss in a moment. 100mbit of bandwidth = 12.5 megabytes per second. 50mbit = 7 megabytes per second. Naturally not every connection will achieve this speed, but for the sake of argument let's look at these speeds. I have no idea what you're downloading. Even 7MB/s is ridiculously fast - far more than even the most extreme of gamers will need for the foreseeable future (currently that's an hour to download the largest game I have on Steam - Max Payne 3). Games don't require much bandwidth: you download them once, then that's it. Multiplayer requires negligible usage, even at ADSL speeds. And yet, this is still an unrealistic picture - because we're not taking about delivering 50mbit to gamers - we're talking about delivering it to everyone - the average user. The average user isn't downloading 30GB video games. They're mostly going to be using video streaming services and general browsing. Vudu requires 9mbit to stream a 3D + HD movie in 5.1 surround sound. Netflix is 5mbit. Even these services are beyond the average user - most merely browse Youtube, which at its highest video setting uses 5-6mbit. Currently the vast majority of households have no need for even 50mbit, let alone 100mbit. As for the future, let's get into that now. It is not about what we can cope with now but what will be required for the future! Potential, potential, potential. Limiting our internet capacity is like having a low expectation of every school student in the nation, it would have catastrophic consequences. This is the most visionary nation building policy for quite some time, and unfortunately one the coalition decided to copy but with a watered down version for politics sake. The coalition didn't even have a thought for such a scheme![/QUOTE] I don't buy this idea that the NBN is essential for education, either. Are they planning on running classrooms in 4K resolution? Well, 4K requires approximately 4x the bandwidth of 1080p, so at its absolute max, with 4K, 3D, and 5.1 surround sound, such a stream would require ~36mbit. But there's no need for such video! I steam lectures all the time, and I'd be perfectly content with 480p, let alone 720p or 1080p. Resolution does not matter one iota in education. You're not looking at mountain ranges, you're looking at a whiteboard. From a wider societal perspective, 4K streaming for movies would require around 36mbit, as I mentioned. So you might say, this is getting a little close to the 50mbit aim of the Coalition's plan. Firstly, it's at least 50mbit, not up to 50mbit. Additionally, they are NOT constructing a radically different NBN - they're just leaving out the last 400m. If we for some reason decide we need 8K television with 21.2 channel sound, then we're perfectly capable of coming back and upgrading the last 400m. It's about priorities. And yet, if that's not enough for you, you're perfectly welcome to have Labor's plan - you just have to pay the standard international price for the last 400m. Turnbull's point, and I think it's a wise one, is that virtually nobody will have any desire to do so for a long time. [hr][/hr] But there's an even larger issue under all of this. I don't disagree with you that we should eventually have FTTP - I'm sure there will come a day when I want it. Turnbull isn't saying that you shouldn't have it - he's asking who should have to pay for it. All of us, or those who actually use the service? The latter is a much fairer way of delivering the service to those who need it - mostly business. Labor's plan may provide FTTP infrastructure for all, but only a select few, mostly the rich, will ever need it - so it comes off as more of a subsidy than anything else.
With very few exceptions, news media is if a very low standard. That aside, we are seeing the tendency for less mature folk to blame others for their own failings. Now Rudd is being blamed by some on the left, for their downfall. Anything but face the facts. The Rudd / Gillard / Rudd "Govts", were never a functional entity, apart from giving public money away, everything they touched turned to manure. Then there is the standard lefty BS spin. Their crap is an insult to anyone`s intelligence, and they still wonder why adults turn away from them. The ALP will never become a professional outfit, until they learn to face facts. Not everything can be solved by childish denial and cheap spin. In fact, nothing can.
The sweeping claims about the ALP govt are simply incorrect. There was good policy under Gillard, the evidence is there. What happened was that an incompetent PM was removed and replaced with a competent PM and the competent PM was replaced by the previous incompetent PM. No wonder voters took the bats out. The internal bickering was to blame.
You have missed the point. The 70% Murdock controlled media in Australia once favoured Rudd and the ALP. They swamped praise on him when he was fulfilling their agendas, but when he was no longer fulfilling their agendas, they suddenly denigrating him, and started supporting his rival. Im staggered that you dont see that as bias controlling the media for a specific agenda, regardless of your political opinions or persuasions. You are also forgetting that there is still a high percentage of older Australians who still only get their information form newspapers and TV media. Forgive me for my ignorance, but I thought journalists with decent morals and ethics were suppose to report and write stories based on the truth and being unbiased? There is simply nothing unbiased about Murdock employed journalists. They wouldnt know what the truth was if it came up and bit them on the bum, and that is a sad predicament for Australia and the Australian people.
One individual owning 70% of the countries media goes beyond the political arena. Especially when there is still a high percentage of older Australians who still get their information from newspapers and TV media. The media make issues so complicated, and lie so often, that the public now have to become scientists or university graduates in a specific field to understand WHO is telling them the truth.
One would have to question the claims Gillard was competent as a leader when she couldn't control her own party ( as Abbott has appeared to of done ) and couldn't converse with the people she served in regards to getting her policy details across( in fairness, the media held some control over this). For me they were incompetent in regards to organisation of their party and implementation of their policies( mainly Rudds efforts). They still haven't learnt anything. Today they are throwing stones at Bishops decision to sack Bracks from the plum posting the good old boys of the Labor party organised for him. Now that twit Plibersek is having a shot at the new government over it, calling them petty. You have got to be kidding me !! Whether or not it is petty is not the point. Now is the time for these blow hards like Plibersek to shut up and get down to the business of rebuilding their party, not throwing stones while they are sitting in glass houses. Surely there is bigger issues at hand. They need to put a plug in it as nobody is taking them seriously. All in all the rotten fruit is still hanging on the tree, nothing will change. I don't think the broom was big enough to sweep the crap out of the ALP.
And that is some of the point I was trying to make - with Murdoch owning and worse controlling so much of the media his "vote" is more influential than anyones - and usually it is to befit Rupert Murdoch and Co. He influenced the first Bush election because it gave him a bigger slice of American pie
Does anybody actually know what FTTP actually is??? If you do, perhaps you could explain to me why you consider that anybody should have to pay for something that actually exists today and is in wide use NOW??? I'll give you a hint. P stands for PROTOCAL... To me this shows that people just do not understand what they are talking about on this issue and simply want to stick to the lines of their own agenda...
