http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#Fiber_to_the_premises http://www.nbn.gov.au/about-the-nbn/what-is-the-nbn/nbn-technologies/optic-fibre/ You seem to be on a different page
Yes it does... It is funny that many who will never know the difference between the two systems are complaining that they will not have what they consider the best system handed to them for free. If they want it then they should pay for it...
I'm sorry, what exactly are you on about? Do you think the NBN provides FTP connections or something? A clarification rather than rofling everywhere would be appreciated.
No, the point was that while the ALP NBN package is supposed to produce faster internet most will never know the difference between the Either policy. People simply want something for nothing even though they will never use the faster speeds.
Oh, yeah I agree. Don't get me wrong, 100mbps for all is a nice idea, and I'm not saying we shouldn't have this - the question is how. From my perspective laying fiber to the end of your street is more than enough from other people's money. All I'm saying is that if you feel 50mbps isn't enough and you want over 100mbps, then you put your money where your mouth is and use your money rather than someone else's to provide you with the privilege. We have scarce supplies - this makes the NBN the ideal candidate for a market mechanism based approach to deciding who gets excessively high speeds that almost nobody needs/would want if they weren't paying for it with someone else's wallet lol.
The ONLY reason for advocating NBN over FTTN, is to possess an irrational greed, a blind obsession for other people to pay for something that one dosen`t need.
The real users of such a system can afford to connect themselves. BUT most people do not need such speeds and will notice no difference with higher speeds.
Why not think about the NBN as being for industry, academia, government, businesses etc. - big organisations with big jobs which go all over Australia and the world. What are their needs now and what will they be in 20 years in terms of the whole ICT infrastructure. Then think about what you need and want and what you're prepared to pay for. If you can do that then you might get the point of the NBN. It's not just about your downloading movies.
The NBN has always been a white elephant regards to future technology. Anyone with a brain will automatically realise that future telecommunications technology will not rely on, or have its foundations based on underground cabling of any kind. FFS people use your brains. Look at how many people still rely on land line telephones compared to mobile phones. WI-FI was always destined to be the next evolutionary step in the future of the internet. Maybe the Government/s would be better off spending the peoples money on developing fast and affordable WI-FI, instead of always trying to develop technology that’s past its used by date. Oh, that’s right, its just the peoples money they are wasting and squandering on developing this out-of-date technology, not their own.
Government and academia will be paid by the government, and you complain that industry should pay their own way... The only thing ALP supporters object to is that they will have to pay for their own access to gain the speeds they will never use, They simply want the government to pay their way. In twenty years’ time this infrastructure may very well be obsolete. After all the computer you buy at Harvey Normal is obsolete before it hits the shelf, you could not afford or warrant the cost of the up to date system at the time, should the government pay for that too... If you think about it, you should pay if you want something that is of no use to you, just so you can say you got it.
My point was that without the infrastructure of the NBN it won't be available to anyone. I'm not fussed about who pays for it in terms of consumption and use, I'm concerned that it won't be completed and therefore will not be available to industry, government, acfademia and even us little downloaders. If we can get the NBN up to current world standard (i.e. South Korea) then it will only be a matter of maintaining and developing it to keep abreast of world standard (i.e. South Korea) and ensure that we defeat obsolescence. After all we, well CSIRO, well a very smart bloke at CSIRO, invented WiFi! We'll be right up there with the best if we build it now. If we go with Malcolm's broadband we will go backwards exponentially. And I've never bought a computer from HN - I get mine secondhand and run a LInux distro (okay I did buy a new Toshiba laptop from Officeworks in Darwin but I put Ubuntu on it with W7) and they work beautifully.
I think WiFi might be limited by spectrum - not sure of that though. It doesn't do too well up in the Top End during the Build-up and the Wet either.
Why??? Do you consider the Coalition is dumping the NBN??? Now you’re sounding paranoid... No they are going to make it fibre to the node and if you want it to your house you have to pay... I wonder how many will pay for something they will never use... The coalition’s NBN will be delivered faster as it is not as much work, thus being cheaper... BUT hey whatever rocks your boat. What a load of crap... The only difference between the two is that if you want fibre to your door... YOU HAVE TO PAY. As business will be paying for their own, something ALP supporters like. The only loss is that money will not be wasted delivering a service to people who will never use it or even see a difference. Marvellous, still out-dated... last time I considered buying the most up to date computer, the price was $80.000. I was told I could buy that very same computer no longer than 2 years later for about $1400... When it comes to computers and networking... the industry moves so fast you when you have bought the latest it is already out-dated...
As long as the computers I use do the job I want them to do then I'm happy. I'm not a gamer so that probably plays into it. As for the NBN - I made the point about the necessary infrastructure - you disagree, fine, agree to disagree.
Neither political party looked at WI-FI as a rational alternative. Squandering vast amounts of tax payers money on hair-brained ideas based on antiquated technology, is something we are use to now. We need to get into another mind-set, that this is our money (not theirs) they are squandering and wasting on antiquated technology. Look at our Highways and Freeways that are build by these idiot politicians who contract them out, and only last one year without repairs "if" we are lucky. They then become 3rd rate to roads build in other countries - why? Becuase the roads are not build right the first time, like they are in other countries - our money just gets repeatedly squandered over, and over, again.
And it might be useful to remember that old saying, "who benefits?" to look behind any decision of government.
The Government of the day still owns 10% of Telstra, and uses that 10% profit to pay for public servants superannuation. Not that 12,000 jobs will be cut from the public service, how much revenue from Telstra will come back to the people as revenue? Tony didn’t mention that fact. I'm sure Tony already has that money well and truely spent on something else
By advocating they are representing us - the people. The headless chicken just voted for another 3 years of this same old circus, with the same old clowns. Jesus, no wonder the private joke between politicians is that the public are mushrooms. I wonder how many more brick shyte houses have to fall on the skulls of these headless chckens, before they finally wake up and realise, who has been robbing us blind through incompetence.
Whenever you get too depressed about Australian politics and the "stupidity" of Australian voters remember America voted for George Bush Twice
Considering Australians are so Americanised we have a McDonalds on every corner; I suppose the stupidity has to filter down. Just wondering when the people are going to finally wake-up and realise these pair of clowns are the same acts - all they both do is, juggle balls, twist balloons, and back-flip. Nothing every changes!
The power wielded by a slimy old man who willingly gave up his Australian citizenship for profit, yet still claims the right to influence its politics, is disgusting. The election coverage of the Daily Telegraph broke every rule in the journalist code of ethics. Media Watch estimated of 293 election articles published, only six could be described as pro-Labor. Fairness, balance and accuracy were all ignored in Murdoch's bid to ensure his candidate gained power.
