NATO should demilitarize border with Russia, or face new Cold War – Corbyn

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  1. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    USA killed million in Iraq only. Sanctions, politicians of NATO is constantly talking about the Russian threat, etc. These All obvious things if you are not a fool.
     
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    There half of the citizens are Russians. Pro-Russian politicians will win elections.
     
  3. Sam Bellamy

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    Tough. The USSR broke up and those countries were free to go their own way. They chose a post Russian life. That is freedom. Deal with it.

    Sure many people do live good in Russia, but many more don't.

    I'd say Putin very much wants a good working relationship with the US. It appears many Russians do, too.

    The US is not perfect. We all have our flaws, but it's a two way street. Concessions have to be made on both sides in order for a deal to work.
     
  4. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    I can bet you anything that the Ukraine and the Baltic States would be Russian territory. It is so obvious, even funny, why you don't see it.

    You're wrong. We don't care about relations with USA or other country, because Russia is self-sufficient. We can buy everything we need in other countries. Putin is a very pragmatic man, so he says good words. Good words are a good beginning for a dialogue. But if Russia and US fail to reach the agreement, then Russia will go into an Alliance with China. In this case, USA will lose Alaska and California at least. I'll marry a Chinese woman and my children will be Chinese.
     
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    Stop spiking the borscht, comrade. :alcoholic:
     
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    Putin dreams of warm water ports and mountains in the Ukraine. He doesnt give a damn about relationships.
     
  7. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    You know that China is building a canal in Nicaragua. It will be more Panamanian. When China is finished, then Russia will open military base in Nicaragua to protect against USA. China wants to regain Taiwan. Russia will not openly approve it, but China will get a tacit agreement.
     
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    Poor knowledge of geography is a hallmark USA citizens. 90% of ports are in Crimea. Ukraine has only the port of Odessa, but it often freezes in winter.
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    It's all bluster from you pro Russian propagandists. Face it. There's a new area in the Russian Federation. The US is coming to a commune near you!
     
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    Russias geo-strategical issues arent lost on all Americans. Running a blue water navy from the ports in Crimea are as problematic as the vast flat Ukrainian landscape for Russia. Sailing from the Black Sea to the Aegean then to the Mediterranean is difficult in a time of conflict. Even with the graces of countries like Turkey Russian navies still have a ways to go before hitting an ocean. You know all this though.

    The tragedy of Russia is geography, really.
     
  11. Throughout

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    Russians didn't take even Ukraine. Russia just have occupied the Crimea and Eastern part of Ukraine.
     
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    But you have just said [:

    "I can bet you anything that the Ukraine and the Baltic States would be Russian territory"

    So, NATO is right [:
     
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    Can you imagine, that in Ukraine would win pro-Russian politicians? Besides, some parts of Ukraine in which lives Russians are occupied by Russia. So, these Russians will not take part in Ukraine's elections.
     
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    Oh I just love this. Love it. All of you guys throwing stones while living in glass houses are so silly. Russia hasn't been the enemy for decades it's our own western ( US ) military complex and via their power the Pentagon and State Dept who are all anachronisms that have perpetuated this stupid wasteful feud with Russia. Costing MY country some 30 trillion dollars over the years. Trillion

    /rubs hands together gleefully. Oh I think Corbyn is a very smart guy and I think England will always stand with the US and I also think he knows Trump wants to pull back off NATO some and let the Euros pay and hopefully manage it more. Wouldn't that be grand?

    Pay for your own paranoia Euros this totally rings of some descukation groundwork being laid
     
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    Don't worry. Soft power and unexpected hook to a jaw. All will be well.
     
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    Corbyn isn't 'a smart guy' at all; the only things he's right about are two issues, viz. the current one (withdrawal of NATO from the Russian border), and not going ahead with the Trident upgrade. Apart from that, all he does is 'play to the liberal gallery'.
     
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    If you put off your "be lefty or righty glasses" and try to be interested into any sort of truth, then you will see this real picture:

    The Bush administration messed up the complete ME with the criminal and unreasoned attack on Iraq in 2003 and showing total incompetence to have any plan for this big country for the time after military success created right this flood of terror! To include here 9/11 is more as ridiculous, because the attack in 2003 had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and right this shows the total ignorance + incompetence of this right US government too, because if you followed the media and official reports, behind all attacks on US Forces and all fighting as being against "Ex Government Rebels and Al Qaida". Sure ... reality was that still there ISIS was one of the parties who made bombings etc.!

    No, I do not defend Obama administration, because your words content some truth that they (but more Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia) supported all and everything who declared fighting against Assad and Gadhafi and giving a crap on who they are in reality!
    B U T ... this policy is a constant line throughout history of US foreign policies and no matter if Republican or Democrat Presidents and administration in power! And this cause much of the anger on USA in the world when supporting worst scum of "rebels" or "governments" if declaring to be friend of the USA ... the self declared home of democracy and freedom!
     
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    Your soft power don't work even in Ukraine. And only soft power can't make these territories parts of Russia [:
     
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    To 1 ... and why then this photo of German POW's?
    To 2 ... I know ... and an other group where these so called "Seydlitz troops" too
    To 3 ... They did and do if you are honest to your own. Only one example of history: Peter the Great started no war against Ottomans in and around Crimean Peninsula to conquer territory ... but Ottomans started this war?
    No I do not blame Peter the Great for it, because this was usual thinking of the age he lived and war was really only 1 point of casual politics if talks bring nothing in mind of leaders.
     
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    Look how acting pro-NATO extremists on Ukraine. Peaceful protesters...

    [video=youtube;FqkI3gQWDjg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqkI3gQWDjg[/video][video=youtube;T7k0MjODEQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7k0MjODEQY[/video]
     
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    D0nRumataEst0rsky, you didn't answer to my post [:
     
  22. Mandelus

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    And this is the general mistake in your mind ... because much in Russia media is too.

    However, Sarah Wagenknecht is a left and communist populist who is not living in reality and the only difference to these right Nazi populists is only the political side, not the truth and facts!
    If you take a closer look on her, she is only a fool ...
     
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    So, this is Russia's soft powers? [: And Russia arranged these peaceful pro-NATO extremists on Ukraine [:
     
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    You had the choice - Schroeder, but he is not anti-Russian fool, therefore USA appointed Merkel. Are you saying that Merkel is an economic genius? Germany suppresses the economy of EU countries. Quotas, quotas, quotas...
     
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    No, of course is Schroeder not and he is a close friend of Putin. And did I personally say that Merkel is an economic genius? No!
    Did I ever say that the embargo against Russia and the blaming of the West is in his full content correct? No!

    But did you accept ever that some of the critics against Russia and Putin is correct? No!
     

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