NYT casts doubt on Israel’s claims Gaza hospital attack

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/new-york-times-dissects-widely-circulated-gaza-hospital-attack-evidence-video-101698208110781.html

New York Times dissects widely circulated Gaza hospital attack evidence video, ‘casts doubt on Israel’s claims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html

And there we have it. The finger is pointing at Israel.
I always found that:
- rockets of Hamas don't do that kind of damage
- Israel has threatened that entire area and that hospital in specific that they are going to bomb it
- Israel has bombed hospitals before.


No reason to go trusting Israel and now also the US that they are telling the truth. While it's just really obvious now that the projectile came from Israel and was travelling from a known IDF site straight at the hospital. But let us hear from the cheerleaders where they got their prove from and how accurate it is... and how that it better than what the NYT did.

 

There were also many holes in the IDF version before this NYT dissection most notably that Gazan rockets do not carry enough fuel to have caused that damage; the fuel was effectively used up within a couple of seconds of launch as can be seen by the footage. Much more likely that it was caused by the remnants of the much larger dome missile after it intercepted the Gazan rocket

 

So Israel fires a single rocket, it explodes in midair, remnants falling uncontrollably on a hospital? As weird as it is that it only fired one rocket in response to the heavy barrage that Hamas was firing at the time, I’m not sure why I should have a problem with unintentional damage.

But yes I agree this is much more believable than thinking Hamas, who was firing all these rockets with a history of rockets misfiring committed it.

One malfunctioning rocket from Israel. Got it. Those bastards!

 

I've seen the impact site. That's a local made rocket impact, from a rocket that still had some fuel in it.
An Israeli missile would have left a much larger impact.

 

Israel claims that a specific missile did it, and the NYT proved that the missile was an Israeli one, and there was a explosion where that missile was flying in mid air in a straight line between an IDF position and the hospital. Israel has no other evidence what other rocket could have done this, for the sake to pin this on Hamas. While I'm not interested in you fantasies.

 

...they shot it...oh no they didn't the other lot shot it....oh no they didn't that lot shot it.....oh no they didn't the other lot shot it.....etc etc...ad nauseam......big deal....who cares....

 

Again: The impact site is too small for the sort of ordnance the IDF launches.
Its actually been pinned on Islamic Jihad, but you do you.

 

Hamas is lying about the body count. You cannot fit 500 people into the area let alone 300.

 

The headline may as well read: After 2 years of cheering our proxy, Ukraine, against Russia, the American media turns and supports Russia's proxy by proxy, Hamas.

 

500 dead people in this little area? BS.

 

Is it?
The head of the EU labelled the Russian attack on the civilian infrastructure, depriving the civilians from water and electricity, to be a war crime.
It's also Russia who invaded Ukraine and is refusing to leave. Israel invaded Golan, WB, East-Jerusalem and the WB and refuses to leave and even put in 100's of colonies for a permanent occupation. Them are war crimes too.

The west is just hypocritically applying international law against Russia, and is looking the other way when Jews breach it.



And on topic: Israel claims that the missile in the vids is the missile that hit that hospital, and tells the missile came from Hamas. NYT proved it's an Israeli missile. There are no other missiles at play as far as anybody knows. So .... well well. Israel bombed a hospital... AGAIN!

 

False.

Jordan attacked Israel, unprovoked, in 1967. Israel defended themselves by fighting back, and conquered land in the process.

Blame Jordan.

 

Most likely IMO caused by a fragment of a missile fired by the dome. Only the Israeli missiles will have enough unspent fuel to cause that damage. The IDF audio is now believed to have been faked to back up the lie that the hospital was bombed by a Gazan missile

 

Or a missile from Gaza heading into Israel that failed.

 

Iran arms Hamas. Indisputable.

Iran arms Russia with weapons designed to terrorize innocent civilians, and Russia is using them on Ukraine. Indisputable.

People are condemning one group that Iran arms as guilty of war crimes (Russia), while simultaneously cheering another group armed by Iran (Hamas) as freedom fighters fighting against war crimes. Indisputable.

I say the way to avoid finding themselves in such contradictory positions is to not take sides on such huge issues based on a cultlike, partisan nature, and 30 second YouTube shorts by clueless people.

 

Yeah, let's trust the baby killing kidnapping rapists instead.

 

They don't carry fuel (unguided). The Dome's guided missiles do. The damage at the hospital looks like it was caused by fuel

 

No such missile to be found so far. All there is, is an Israeli missile. And instead of owning up, Israel just tells lies about it and tries to pin the blame on others.

 

I don't believe that.

 

Where is the wreckage of the missile so that international observers can examine it and its shrapnel?

 

You really bring nothing to the table on a topic that the finger who bombed the hospital is Israel.

 

NYT are baby killing kidnapping rapists? WUT? lol

 

No, Hamas is.

 

The unguided Gazan rockets use fuel only at launch then gravity takes over. The IDF claimed that they had video of the Gazan missile launch. We can see in that video the fuel being spent on each of those missiles. The Dome missiles carry excess fuel to allow for guidance to a near or far target and has steering fins to aid guidance

 

Point stands: the missile Israel claims to be from Hamas and causing the massacre, is an Israeli one... so says NYT.
Your question is not my problem.