Other than claims of increased public safety, is there any other argument for gun control

You have nothing. Don't lecture those who are actually trying to fix the problem

 

You're obviously not trying to fix the problem, and don't even try to tell me what to do.

 

Back to demonstrating that no actual case is possessed by yourself.

 

How would you know.....you don't understand basic science! Lol

 

I will do as I please....you have nothing to offer to this debate

 

Science is indeed understood. Just as it is understood that science cannot demonstrate that any particular piece of legislation was integral in a particular outcome occurring in a matter relating to trends in crime rates. Nor can science demonstrate that suicides are prevented by legislation that the public can simply ignore without concern for the consequences.

 

Sorry but i cannot get past the title of this thread

"Other than public safety"

Sorry but surely public safety should be and remain in the primacy of any discussion

 

Of course it is understood. Just not by you. Lol

 

Except there is no actual evidence that can demonstrate how any particular firearm-related restriction actually benefits of otherwise enhances public safety, especially in an environment where such restrictions are routinely ignored by the public, the criminal element, law enforcement, and even the courts tasked with enforcing them. For all intents and purposes, the restrictions do not exist because they are not being utilized.

 

There is tons of such evidence

 

Then actually demonstrate the exact science behind such. Show exactly how a waiting period affects either homicides or suicides, and can prevent such from being committed.

 

Indeed there is not. No such evidence actually exists, otherwise it would be routinely presented throughout the discussion.

 

I have many times. What I can not do is make the blind see.

 

No, and this is where we diverge fundamentally as cultures.

If public safety should be the primacy of any discussion, then we can simply institute a police state, micromanage every facet of people's lives without regard to their rights or freedoms, and consider the discussion closed.

Life in a free society engenders certain kinds of risks. When people are free to act as they choose it increases the opportunities for those with nefarious intent to commit vile and repellent acts. We accept those risks as the downside of living in a society where we are relatively free to do as we choose with our lives.

There is a poster here who points out how high the American rate of death attributable to firearms is, but they lump suicides in with homicides and total those numbers to get a higher rate of death attributable to firearms. But the majority of those deaths are actually suicides, and in a society where guns are prevalent more people are going to choose to use guns to end their own lives. But our overall suicide rate overall is on the lower end of average. Look at deaths attributable to criminal misuse of firearms compared to the honest defensive use of firearms by honest citizens and we have a very different societal dynamic.

In the end, we want to be free. We want to have our rights respected and we want to be left alone... and that is far more important to us than a subject as nebulous as "public safety."

 

Gun control reduces suicides and homicides. And it is as simple as a form or a three day wait

 

Anarchy rules!

So, we should not have any rules?

Roads should be ungoverned?

Explosives should be free for all and there should be open borders for all

 

I just shake my head as antis fallback to this same nonsense.

I don't believe in anarchy. I believe society should have rules. BUT... rules which are based on respecting the rights of each citizen. Laws actually do nothing but establish what behavior is acceptable within a society; they don't physically prevent anyone who rejects the law from committing crime against society. They just give society the tools to punish people who refuse to conform. We still need certain kinds of rules, but when laws start banning things and placing restrictions upon people's fundamental rights in hopes of achieving something that's never been achieved before then the law loses its credibility.

Again, we live in a free society. True "Freedom" is defined as "having the right to take responsibility for yourself." We each are responsible for how we comport ourselves. One of our most fundamental rights is the right of self-defense, and it is our responsibility to evaluate our own situations and adjust our personal security tactics and parameters accordingly. When government tries to place restrictions upon the rights of self-defense - one of the most fundamental rights in life - they are attacking our right to life itself. I don't mind having to stop at an intersection and looking both ways before driving through, but I DO mind being told whether I'm allowed to effectively defend my life or the lives of my loved ones or not.

 

but that is all the anti gun movement can honestly say in favor of such laws

there is no value in itself of limiting freedom

but we can say freedom is more important than public safety

we can say many things are more important than public safety


we note that many things could be restricted that would increase public safety such as completely banning liquor or restricting highway travel to 35 MPH. we don't do that.

since people like you cannot prove that public safety is increased with gun bans, you are in a position of not having any back up arguments.

 

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there is not tons of evidence no matter how many times the silly mantras are repeated over and over

 

Let us know when you have evidence to bring to the debate. Lol. You are dismissed.

 

bwaaaak dismissed

bwaaaaak dismissed

spewing the same silly one liners over and over is not "debate
running away from tough questions is not "debate"

posting "its just a form 565 times in two months" is not debate

calling pro gun posters "gun banners" is not debate

pretending you can control what other say is not debate

 

This is debate? You are laughed at. You have nothing. Lol

 

wrong. gun control hassles honest Americans and doesn't apply to criminals unless it is enforced. criminals never wait nor fill out forms. vegas is on record wanting to harass honest gun owners with stupid laws that don't even apply to criminals

 

given the responses on the gun forum, you are not being accurate. Your anti gun nonsense is the real joke on this board

 

You have nothing. The science is against you. You are dismissed for lack of evidence