Our current military readiness

Discussion in 'Security & Defenses' started by pjohns, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't agree and again congress did that too
     
  2. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,042
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I served during the Vietnam War era. Back then the United States was able to fight 2 1/2 major wars at the same time just like how we were able to fight two major wars during WW ll.

    In 1969 we had over 500,000 boots on the ground in the RVN (in-country) and at the same time another 100,000 sailors, Marines and airmen in the Vietnam theater of war in the South China Sea or in Thailand and the secret little war that was being fought in Laos.

    At the same time on any given day there were over 500,000 American troops forward deployed mostly in Europe, South Korea or at sea. We had a 900 ship Navy with 20 aircraft carriers back in the day.

    Since post Vietnam War we have gone from being able to fight 2 1/2 major wars then 2 wars then 1 1/2 wars and by 2000 only able to fight one major war. All of these decreases of combat capability happened when a Democrat was in the White House or when Democrats controlled Congress.

    As of today almost 1/2 of the U.S. Navy's amphibious ships can't put to sea. Even if the Navy was able to put every amphibious ship to sea they could only put 2/3 of a Marine division on the beaches, that's two Marine Amphibious Brigades.

    Of the U.S. Army's active 31 combat brigades, on January 20th 2017 only three were combat capable. In just ten months under the Trump administration it's up to five Army combat brigades being combat capable and being able to be deployed into combat.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
  3. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You seem to be advocating a true isolationist foreign policy, which is pretty far from where the center left is right now. They were ready to follow Hillary into Syria and The Ukraine.

    So you seem to be out on a limb by yourself advocating for US troops to withdraw to our borders and hunker down, unless I'm reading your foreign policy views incorrectly?
     
  4. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course they do. So do other military industries and support services, but that’s not what you were saying or implied. Did you or did you not imply that the “military industrial complex” drives US policy and puts us into wars for the profit of those industries?
     
  5. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Correct. Since you think you’re so smart, please tell me how much of our economy is based upon global trade. What would happen to our economy if the Asian or European economy collapsed due to war? The restriction of trade routes? What would happen to our economy if the Iranians closed off the Straits of Hormuz even though the US doesn’t need a single drop of oil from the Middle East?
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
  6. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The centre left would shy away from action and search for global action. Aggressive foreign policy tends to be counter-productive after all. Hillary isn't centre left. She's a hawk.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
    APACHERAT likes this.
  7. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,042
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I'm well aware that America's number one export is empty sea containers being sent back to China and other countries.
     
  8. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is a responsibility for the world......not us. They need peace as much as us
     
  9. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes I did and yes they do
     
  10. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is what I am advocating. We need to stop being the worlds policeman
     
  11. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How about we fight no wars unless someone attacks us directly? This concept seems so radical to some but it is how most of the world lives
     
  12. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113

    "Global Action." as opposed to "action?"
     
  13. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113

    OK well I'm not surprised then if you're not happy with Trump foreign policy, but you sound as if you wouldn't have liked Hillary foreign policy and probably didn't like Obama foreign policy. Your views are extremely marginal and are unlikely to be represented by more than a small group of people on twitter.
     
    Mushroom likes this.
  14. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    International law is a jolly decent thing and that will, if followed, enable co-operation that is more successful
     
  15. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yes I'm sure it's quite jolly.
     
  16. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes I'm sure too. Offer an argument
     
  17. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh I'm quite certain the military spending will continue. Too many people getting rich for it to stop
     
  18. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113

    What argument are you looking for? I'm unclear of the relevence of your comments to this topic?
     
  19. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    An argument. If you can't derive an argument from my post then say so (i.e. rest your keyboard)
     
  20. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,746
    Likes Received:
    23,029
    Trophy Points:
    113

    You literally said, "Yes I'm sure too. Offer an argument."

    So apparently I can't derive an argument from that. Maybe you should start a thread titled, "Argue with me about anything."
     
  21. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,042
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    That's how the French thought after WW l.

    Lets not have any maneuver divisions that can go on the offense and fight, lets just have a defensive army that doesn't move and build the Maginot Line to put them in.

    Maginot...sounds kinda radical, like something you would see in a Star Wars movie or on Star Trek Next Generation.
     
  22. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's nice. We are not france. We have ten CBG's when Russia has one and china has one. We could cut MORE than half and be very safe
     
  23. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That you didn't understand a simple reference to avoid hawkishness, with global co-operation determining appropriate action, is beyond me. Try eating more greens?
     
  24. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,042
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    The U.S.Navy hasn't put a Carrier Battle Group (CBG) to sea in over nine years. The last President to be able to put a CBG too sea was Commander in Chief, G.W. Bush and he was able to put ten CBG at sea when the Chi-Coms were rattling their sabers.

    For the past nine years the U.S. Navy has only been able to put Carrier Strike Groups (CSG) to sea and never more that three at a time but usually only two.


    [​IMG]
    USN Carrier Strike Group (CSG)


    [​IMG]
    USN Carrier Battle Group (CBG)
     
  25. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We do not need ten of them
     

Share This Page