Oxford study: millions may have already built up coronavirus immunity

Because if there was no pushback, there would be no reinstatement. "Help us, help you".Well, we're helping them but as far as our own help, it seems to be a very long way because we need patents, we need 'clinical studies' and above all, big pharma(particularly BIll Gates) needs to make a load of money.

On top of that, the would be psuedo-doctor wants us in a communist china regime as a response to the virus.

 

What about my example of the Patriot Act?

 

No one wants your stuff, man. We want you to stay alive, so that you can go on to do what you will.

 

There was no pushback after WWII. People didn't like the restrictions, but they understood it was essential. And they didn't need to demand reinstatement of freedoms .. they were automatically reinstated by Govt, who desperately wanted a return to industry and economic growth. No Govt wants to retain an economically challenged state.

 

Sorry, I know nothing of any 'patriot act'. Patriotism today means doing what's best for your nation .. #stayathome.

 

Well, then, you are unable to discuss this subject intelligently.

 

Is it an American thing? I'm not American.

 

You are insane. Hiding in you house from this virus is not an act of bravery.

Small sacrifice today means freedom tomorrow? Could you over dramatize this thing anymore?

This virus is not a threat to freedom. What are you on about with that nonsense? The over reaction to this might be but the virus, not in the least.

And your village analogy....You and your kind would be the first ones in the hut hiding in an attack. You have made that perfectly clear.

 

Is it sane behavior to believe the statements of known liars?

 

It has nothing to do with hiding, but if it feels like that to you then I'm sorry for you. People like myself are doing this to rob the virus of hosts (know what happens to a virus without hosts? They're not like bacteria, which can live virtually forever without a host). Complete isolation feels strong, proactive, and optimistic to me.

Meantime, it figures that those whose only concern is their own immediate comfort would not grasp the purpose of quarantine. It's not about YOU, it's about reducing the spread of this thing fast .. so that your neighbour, your boss, your elderly parents, and yes, even you, can get back to normal as soon as possible.

 

It's getting worse as it goes on. This meme is spot on.

 

Stronger brew of democracy we have today? Holy Christ, that is the statement of a very well indoctrinated subject.

 

You're in no position to roll on the floor laughing, with 35,000 dead. My 'well indoctrinated' nation has 63.

 

I was laughing at the statements of posters, not at people dying.

But remember, each of us and all of us will die one day, from one reason or the other.

I'm happy for you and your nation. Maybe your nation, whatever it is, is not as well indoctrinated as you think?

 

Freedom, it’s not free.

I’d rather live in a country with more freedom even if more deaths are the results. But hey, I’m from Texas and we are kinda hard headed when it comes to liberty.

 

Oh stop it. You are not doing it “for others”

What a load of self righteousness.

Those at risk can shelter, quarantine or whatever else is needed. As can anyone who desires too. No need to shut down the country for those who choose not too.

 

It was your suggestion, that well indoctrinated thing. I see it as us simply being willing to work together in a crisis, instead at cross purposes. We're quite "English" in that sense. We're also likely to have absorbed 'Asian sensibilities' due to our proximity, and are less combative as a result.

 

I'm guessing Ruggles (who has now been banned?) is a republican:
Poll: Half of Republicans still believe WMDs found in Iraq | Politico, 2015

 

I'm banned? Say what?

And yes Iraq did have chemical weapons. Used them openly against Iran and the Kurds.

You know how easy it is to move chemical weapons? Extremely. Notice how the Iraqi military fled and scattered in the face of the US and it's allies? You think maybe, just maybe the chemicals weapons fled as well?

Or maybe you think they sold their chemical weapons on eBay?

 

If 70% of Americans are infected...

70% x 330,000,000 x 1% = 2,310,000​

I don't think Americans are prepared to accept that many dead. More to the point, a significant number will avoid situations where they are at risk: restaurants, theaters, malls, airplanes, cruise ships, amusement parks, concerts... a big chunk of what we produce.

What's your solution?

We should suppress the virus until we get it down to low levels, and then test and trace. Trump wants to open up too soon.

 

LOL. You're saying that Iraq had chemical weapons but because they didn't want anyone to know they decided to not use them. Perhaps you could explain what is the point of having a weapon if you're not going to use it when you really desperately need it to save your life? There were no viable WMDs in Iraq after 1993

 

Had they used them against US forces or their allies the retaliation they would have faced would have been devastating.

At what point do you think the deployment of chemical weapons vs US forces would have saved a single Iraqi life? How woudl if have changed the outcome ? I honeslty can not wait to hear your answer, this should be good.

The Iraqi have a history of not deploying weapons in war if it makes no sense.

"Security information Web site GlobalSecurity.org estimates that half of the air force fled to Iran in 1991, just three years after the end of the Iran-Iraq war, rather than confront Coalition planes"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-airforce-idUSCOL54415720070805

The 6th largest air force in the world fled Iraq before the Gulf War started. With your broken logic there was not Iraqi air force, because why have the 6th largest air force in the world if it's going to flee before the war? Must have not been real.

 

No one is saying that the imaginary WMDs would have saved anyone but they would have delayed the end. And then you post irrelevant stuff!

 

Shows the military strategy and ideology of the same regime in charge in both military actions in Iraq. If you can not see the relevance of that then you need to expand you understanding of military matters beyond Hollywood movies.

Delayed the end? If used they would have hastened it for Saddam as he was trying to save his ass both times. You do recall he was found hiding in a hole in the ground ? Does that sound like a man who was leading a valiant last stand with all weapons available?