You've presented me with nothing, other than a vague claim. Once you have something more than a vague claim, the world will be interested. Until then, don't get upset if people do not automatically believe in past lives, angels, leprechauns, demons, pixies, and levetation. Cheers
I'm curious as to what harm there is in folks believing in reincarnation? Hindus believe in this, many Buddhists also believe in a return to another life after death until it's perfected... Millions follow those beliefs; the vast majority of whom wouldn't harm a fly. Ahimsa (non-violence and a respect for all life is one of the basic tenants of these beliefs) ....
yes but it is the personal responsibility of someone to choose what they believe in so they should have to prove the non existance of past lives or be forced to accept it as fact along with everyone else
If you didn't get it the first time, it's not worth explaining again. They're very floaty and smooth. Ship of the desert. Yes we do know. No... we do. If you ask the direct question, there are a surprisingly high number of people who have had some near/post death experiences. They may not want to recount it and risk derision by troll, but there are a few I have seen discuss it before on this forum. And despite the belief it is always a bright light or deceased loved ones were there to welcome them or w/e, there are differences in some of those stories. Here's mine. I was very ill and almost copped it. The person who came to see me was Death (!) dressed in a black cloak (of course, what else would he wear) and his face was in shadow. I was in bed in the middle of the day, being nearly dead. He wafted in from a walk-in cupboard (blank wall behind it). I said..."oh it's yourself. Is that you back to take me as well now?" (my Mother/Father/Grandparents predeceased me). "All right, I'll be there in a minute." Then he just wafted away and I woke up. I was at death's door, brain not working, speech not working, afraid to fall asleep as if I fell asleep lying on my right side, my left side went stone cold because my circulatory system was totally knackered. Scary time. There wasn't any light, btw. Next...when my friend had the same experience, the person who came and spoke to her and told her to breathe, was a 1920s style Matron. She can describe this woman to the hairs on her chin, her red lipstick and her nurse's hat which went out of service in the 1920s. When my Mother was dying and fighting for breath, the person who stood at the foot of her bed and told her to breathe, was her Grandad. A wee man wearing a flat cap. So I conclude the obvious, that when life is under threat the human brain goes into lifesaving mode and runs through every possible lifesaving strategy you have ever learned or been saved by, or even imagined being saved by, in your entire life...as a means of trying to save you. It tries everything it knows and if people "know" they are finished and they "know" the only nice way out of that is to "see the light" they are expecting to see...then that is what their dying brain gives them to save them from death. It's not a new concept... your life flashes before your eyes...?
People who come back from a near-death experience talk about it in first person, as if it had happened to them. People who talk about past lives talk about it in the 3rd person, as if it had happened to someone else. But the fact that they have that knowledge proves that that someone else is them, either because it is their previous life, or because it was assigned to attach to their current lives.
i had a near death experience too it was cause by bowel obstruction which sent me into shock forget which specific type of shock but the symptoms were sweats, rapid heart rate, dizzy, feeling of impending doom, shallow breaths. fortunately it passed after a few minutes as if it lasted longer the main concern for this type of shock is heart attack which leads to death because it is stressed due to the symptoms.
Sorry, did not realise we were talking about it's 'harm'. Thought we were talking about evidence and reality. Does it do any harm to have a blind belief in the Pink Unicorn? No. Just don't expect rational people to buy it, that's all.
The reality of the matter is that there are those that do believe in it. That you cannot refute. Unlike yourself. As it seems to be that you believe in nothing.
Then why start this thread when you refuse to even consider the fact that past lives may exist? And why start this thread when you refuse to respect the beliefs that people hold?
Considering that there are more people alive today than there were in the past generations....combined....where do you suppose all the 'extra people' came from....the newbe's that didn't jump from one life to another, immediately?
Life is not specific to human body. The same life processes can occupy multiple human bodies, also, life processes can switch between human bodies and anything else, even stones, back-and-forth, so the number of humans is not indicative of the number of life processes.
Big deal if people 'believe' it? What does that prove? And you don't know me, so what do you know what I believe in or not?
I would be happy to consider it, when evidence is provided. Hard evidence. I also don't feel anyone is obligated to 'respect' the fanciful notions or delusions of others.
The evidence is plenty, overwhelmingly numerous, only not directly measurable by measuring electromagnetic interactions, like all centrally accredited physical experiments would do.
But to many "others" it is not a fanciful notion or delusion, but a way of life and their religion. and that makes it real to them.. Not everybody thinks the way that you do sir.
So, you started this thread, knowing their wasdn't hard evidence. In fact, you never asked for hard evidence, you simply asked us if we believed in the concept of past lives. You then sought to dismantle and ridicule anyone who actually believes in the notion of past lives. Was this thread created to weed out the 'fanciful notions and delusions' of others?
If there was "hard evidence" of other lives, then they would be no lives. There is a VERY good reason and purpose in the lack of "hard evidence". To search for a "hard evidence" is like you expect to observe your own falling asleep. You will never know except speculate about it after waking up in the morning. If you could observe it then it wouldn't be a sleep at all. But, to your delight, there are a few nearly-"hard" evidences that come close to an electromagnetic observation. For example, every little child considers his/her toys as if they were other persons, even if the toy is just a piece of cloth or wood. Many adults would agree that your plants grow faster if you consider them as persons. Or, see some "intuitive" artistic motivations, such as for example carving personalities into stones without removing the stones, the most famous of which is the 4 president's statues carved in Mount Rushmore(?), Arizona(?)/Colorado(?). Also, humans associate emotions with life processes very strongly. Under this artificial human interpretive bias, we can now mention that emotions do get absorbed into the physical environment around them. One of the most famous examples of this is the palace of the Petite Trianon in the royal grounds of Versailles. Marie Antoanette, a teenage/20ies woman was highly distressed about her impending execution for years when she was living there during the french revolution. And I haven't yet even gone into any religious reasoning, or reasoning for the facts listed in religious books.
So you have evidence, irrefutable evidence, that humans were once stones, and sometimes become stones again. Is this your arguement?
To be honest, if you blindly believe something that is your choice. All I am saying is don't expect automatic respect for it. I don't give automatic respect for the idea of a Pink Unicorn controlling the world, or to scientology, mostly for the same reasons - there is no evidence to to suggest it (claims)exists other than in the mind of the person. That said, you say there is no hard evidence of ANY of these types of claims, yet never stop to think why that might be. You don't stop to consider that it may be because they do not exist. Isn't truth important?
That is a pretty cool idea. I don't believe it but I can dig it! You have 61,000 posts ----holly cow!
