I've not just got evidence, I've got proof. For you see, I was a grizzly bear in a previous life. How do I know this? It is because I could live on berries and Salmon. I just love those foods that much. Also, I like to fish. Case closed!!
The relationship with stones was only an example, not the argument. Your logic error is that you preconcieve your theory, and then you expect reality to support your theory. Science and nature don't work that way. Incorrect. The only reason why you don't see the evidence is that you have constructed your observation of that evidence as if you wanted to observe yourself sleeping whilst being asleep.
So again, the entire purpose of this thread is not to find out what people believe, but to ridicule them for holding beliefs that you disagree with? You say not to expect automatic respect, well, I agree with that. Not one of your posts shows respect for those who believe differently to you, and that is a shame.
No. It is not only I who does not see irrefutable evidence of past lives, angels, ghosts, aliens, demons, gods, pixies and gnomes. It is anyone that faces the reality that there is no evidence to support any of it, and that the most likely reason for evidence never being left, is that there are no real events to leave evidence of.
You can't lump all the phenomena you mentioned in one group. It is possible that stories were made up after the facts, for 1000s of years. But this doesn't take away from the validity that some things are facts. Also, I don't talk about myself or what I can or cannot do. I simply lay out the facts as they are. And like I said, the evidence is plenty. You just won't find it in a physics lab. Have you ever thought about why the science of life, biology, can never answer any question about life, but only about behavior of matter? The topic of this thread is past LIVE's.
You appear to have spent more time and energy hounding me, page after page, to be honest, than providing any serious evidence, that has been looked at, peer reviewed, and put out into the public domain. Shame. All that energy wasted, when you could have spent it exploring your beliefs more, and providing evidence to support them. Fair enough, your choice. I asked you pages and pages ago to answer something key, that seemed like a curious contradiction made by you. Despite prompts you did not address it. Perhaps you just missed it, several times? Would seem strange though, given that you have paid such close scrutiny to the content. I do wish you would stop making up my mind for me, as well. Were the 'purpose' of this thread what you wrongly accuse me of, then I would merely have created a thread and included no poll. I really am interested in the weird things people take to be true, that have no evidence. Psychologically more than anything. I am genuinely intrigued how people can ignore reason, rationale, and logic, and make sweeping statements about human being reincarnated, when they have not a jot of evidence to support their claims. And the more outlandish their claims, and the less evidence they have, the more it baffles and intrigues me, in equal measure. Moreover, I find it fascinating that someone who can be positively evangelical over the existance of intelligent alien life having visited Earth, then laughing at the notion that people can spontaniously combust as too far fetched, or vice versa. Actually, I do get how they can do that - they live in their own chosen bubble, and think anything outwith that bubble is crazy. Take the religous model, it serves well to illustrate it. The Mormon, the Jew, The Christian, and the Muslim all live within their own given bubble. To the Christian, the beliefs of the Mormon might sound utterly crazy to them, while to the Jew, the idea of Jesus being the son of 'god', and rising from the dead, may be utterly crazy to them. Each cannot see that, in fact, their own belief is no less crazy, but this is due to them being in their bubble. It is only when you step out of the bubble that you get true clarity. I am prepared to respect anyone that makes a claim and can back it up. All these pages later, all these words, no one has been able to do that. All I am doing is pointing that out, that no one has been able to, and that perhaps the most likely reason is that they cannot, and that the most likely reason for that there is no evidence.
Not in a physics lab. I see. Okay, where is it then? This is going to be an abstract and infalsifiable reply, isn't it?
You've said that now, more than once. The rep feature is there, if you must, the idea of it, oddly enough, was so that a thread could flow without lots of 'well said' posts. Rather than behave that way, why not take part? Why not tell us what your direct experience and study of past lives is, and if it has even been evidenced or published? Thanks, Jack
No thank you. I do not care to get involved with a thread that is all one sided. Such as this one is. You should go back and read you op. You asked for something and when you get it all you do is deny it exists.
But you are. And are still doing so now. If you weren't, then you would not be on this thread at all. If you are, by your own admission, not here to contribute, even when politely asked to, then you are merely trolling. Please do not. Of course I am going to reject something if I do not believe it, you are raving at me in an illogical manner. The fact that I asked a question and included a poll does not mean that by doing so, I should have to roll over, and take on any BS that I am told. I do not just do that in my personal life, in my personal life, I do not just believe whatever I am told, so I am hardly likely to do it with 'some guy on the internet, who has just TOLD me that we reincarnate into stones'.. Am I?
This thread is only concerned with past lives, nothing else. The idea that everything is like a machine has gone out 200 years ago, when the industrial revolution grew out of the expectation of full predictability. But let's play on your half of the field. Even in quantum mechanics, the predictability of single events without their statistical expectation is zero. And there is nothing to determine whether the event was predetermined or not. Add to this that physical laws don't force that time be linear, so your expectations of hard evidence is questionable on the word "hard". What kind of evidence do you expect to see? (Keep in mind that the collateral in that experiment is a probe point instrument that you call "your life".)
The kind that can be tested under observed conditions, critically examined, and peer reviewed. For a start.
Everything is peer reviewed in every journal that I know, unless you read the "letters to the editor" sections. With critical examinations of these facts, you have to be careful. You can do it, but like I said, the instrument you build for the repeated detection and engineering of these life phenomena is your own life. So I recommend that you study every detail of the reports of other people first. Then put your things in order, and depart. Then, making sure that you take ABSOLUTELY nothing with you, not even a piece of clothing on you, including earrings, or dentures, or prostetics, etc., also no pharmaceuticals, no eating, no drinking, you can begin your engineering style observation. Believe me you don't want any other collateral than your naked biological body, although you will not be in control of anything. You will come away from the experiment with some knowledge and you can repeat it. Or you may observe nothing.
Peer reviewed and scientific evidence of any of the following would interest me. 1) That people reincarnate, into other people, or into other animals, etc. 2) That aliens colonised the planet, and created all of mankind. 3) That Rael visited the Planet of The Eternals, and met Jesus, Buddah, Moses, and Mohammed. 4) That human can defy gravity and levitate. And so on, and so on. There is nil. One can invent excuses, the religous do it all the time, when yet another claim is made to look silly. Note the number who now speedily hide behind the 'Oh, that part is an allegory', when challenged over some BS claim. It is called shifiting the goalposts. Reality can be interesting as well. Someone mentioned so called De Ja Vu, before. I took the time and trouble to seek out the most likely explaination for it, and posted it on here. It's telling that those that are determined to believe in something that they cannot evidence, almost ignored it, to a man.
But there are only very few people who want to do irreversible and radical changes to their lives in order to provide a statistical basis of an evidence. Archeological proof exists of wide spread alien visitation and technology. It is unknown if aliens created ALL of mankind. I have never heard of these other two. Like I said, I was not conducting explanations. I just presented the facts.
What are the conditions that are set before? You are not scientific. And, still, the experimental equipment here is not something that you can order and purchase, but it is the lives of your subjects. From the way you described your intentions, I think you would endanger them, so you will not be very successful in organizing them.
I told you just a few posts ago, when you asked what I would accept as evidence, and I answered you. What do you mean I am 'not scientific'. What are you talking about? The last four lines make little sense. Although I am sure they do to you. Being that you are more enlightened and everything...
I must say that I am somewhat frustrated that I am the only one answering questions for your posts here. I missed the scientific concept of defining what you are looking for and separating it from others. You didn't mention how you would enumerate the various aspects regarding previous lives from the existing reports, neither did you make an attempt to design a cost function for those aspects to model them and formulate what you are dealing with. Then you didn't plan any cross correlations between them to run a significance analysis, which you would need for the purpose of designing a set of stressors that control your experimental subjects until the point of no return. At that point your experiments have the same nature as the current Fermi Lab and CERN experiments with particle physics where they are looking for energy that is lost and breaks the energy conservation principle as written in the form of electromagnetic observations. Then you are not prepared to analyze your results either because your results will not be measured in electron-volts. But most of all, the fact that we can't design a physical experiment to verify past lives at will is the most important aspect here, it's role is to PROTECT objects from us. (And yes, this protection is the most important thing, in the physical sense, forget religion for a minute.) Your experimental subjects will die at a rate that you can't control although you can estimate, if you refine your models and stressors as you go along. But I know that the answer of those who didn't die will not satisfy you, until you make a subject out of yourself too, and then all bets are off. It sounds religious, but it is not religious, that some people are READY/GIVEN to handle such "privileged" information, and some others see it hidden, and the whole gray scale inbetween.
Of course people have no evidence of their past lives! That's why they are called past lives!!!!!! I'm off to find a brick wall!
So join the crowd Mak. I wonder if he can prove that what he says is true. That there is no such thing as reincarnation. What proof can he possibly offer.
